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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Exactly what is the basis of society? This is just another instance of you not understanding what things actually are.
    Its the reason that our Country was founded on the idea that the state should not sponsor a religion. Because there are too many different religions and interpretations. A wise decision.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its the reason that our Country was founded on the idea that the state should not sponsor a religion. Because there are too many different religions and interpretations. A wise decision.
    What? Dude, there is no basis. That is the whole point. Jesus dude. You guys seriously don't understand the basics.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Jesus to some, Yeshua to others practiced Judaism.

    The Torah (first five books of the Hebrew Bible) is the primary source for Jewish views on homosexuality. It states that: "[A man] shall not lie with another man as [he would] with a woman, it is a תועבה toeba ("abomination")" (Leviticus 18:22). (Like many similar commandments, the stated punishment for willful violation is the death penalty, although in practice rabbinic Judaism no longer believes it has the authority to implement death penalties.)

    Orthodox Judaism views homosexual acts as sinful. Conservative Judaism has engaged in an in-depth study of homosexuality since the 1990s with various rabbis presenting a wide array of responsa (papers with legal arguments) for communal consideration. The official position of the movement is to welcome homosexual Jews into their synagogues, and also campaign against any discrimination in civil law and public society, but also to uphold a ban on anal sex as a religious requirement.

    The first people to evangelize what became known as Christianity were Jews. They too practiced Judiasm. And in the Epistles of the New Testament, the sentiments that homosexuality is a sin as is incest relations are part of the teachings. People whose religious beliefs are founded in these teachings have every right in this country to express them, without being labeled hate speech, and to live their life that reflects their moral conscience. To force them to do things that violates that conscience violates their freedom of religion.
    Just to be clear, "freedom of religion" doesn't mean that Jews can kill homosexuals.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What? Dude, there is no basis. That is the whole point. Jesus dude.
    Considering that you believe there is a "natural right" floating around out there somewhere to freely engage in discrimination that trumps the Constitution and the laws of this Country simply shows either your ignorance or your desperation....not sure which though.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Considering that you believe there is a "natural right" floating around out there somewhere to freely engage in discrimination that trumps the Constitution and the laws of this Country simply shows either your ignorance or your desperation....not sure which though.
    Are you really this ignorant? Did you ever read the DOI? Where did those ideas come from? Need a hint?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I know....as I posted earlier, it seems (we'll stick with bakeries here) that religious bakery owners (Muslim, Christian, etc.)...

    --have no issues creating wedding cakes for athiests.

    --Or Jews refusing to make Christmas cakes (Jewish bakeries back East rock!).

    --Muslim bakers refusing to make christening cakes for baby girls

    --I thought Grant's example was good, a Muslim bakery refusing to create a cake saying Jesus is Savior for a Christian church gathering.

    -- Or Muslims or Christians to refuse making a cake for a barmitzvah (sp).

    How often do you hear of these things? Ever? Businesses are in business to DO BUSINESS, not support their own agendas.

    At it's most basic, several religions dont believe in the right or choice of others to practice OTHER religions. (Christians and Muslims, for ex)...so how can you justifying serving others outside your religion at all? You are supporting their ability to exist as infidels or in sin (or whatever).

    To live in this country and run a business....you need to set aside such extreme beliefs if you hold them. It's called 'tolerance.' As a Christian, I think the bakers in this story are wrong because God claims he is the ultimate judge and he gave us all free will. He didnt give other people permission to judge OR control other people's free will.
    yep reminds me of the religious org that owned a pavilion and rented it out to the public all the time there, all types of events were held there of non religious matters and many different religious matters but as soon as gays wanted to use it it was MAGICALLY a sin and against their religious beliefs, complete horse ****. Its nothign but masking bigotry.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Are you really this ignorant? Did you ever read the DOI? Where did those ideas come from? Need a hint?
    Oh...I get it.....you are one of those "Federalist" fringers.....that believe that the Constitution doesn't really exist. Now I know where you are coming from.

    Then again....weren't you the one earlier that believes that nothing in the Constitution exists after article 12?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh...I get it.....you are one of those "Federalist" fringers.....that believe that the Constitution doesn't really exist. Now I know where you are coming from.
    What? That has nothing to do with what I said. Want that hint I offered you? Consider it a privilege I'm allowing you.

    Then again....weren't you the one earlier that believes that nothing in the Constitution exists after article 12?
    No, I wasn't.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Are you really this ignorant? Did you ever read the DOI? Where did those ideas come from? Need a hint?
    speaking of not remembering what was in the Declaration of independence:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

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    speaking of not remembering what was in the Declaration of independence:
    Yes, all men are created with the right to control access to their property.

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