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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the value of property is variable, the value of humans is fixed. no one should be denied equal treatment due to property.
    If you don't own the property then you have no say on how it is operated or who the owner allows to use it. You're mister irreverent when it comes to the property.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Where do you get a "year in prison" from?


    The Colorado statute actually says regarding the Public Accommodation law:

    "24-34-602. Penalty and civil liability.

    (1) Any person who violates section 24-34-601 shall be fined not less than fifty dollars nor more than five hundred dollars for each violation. A person aggrieved by the violation of section 24-34-601 shall bring an action in any court of competent jurisdiction in the county where the violation occurred. Upon finding a violation, the court shall order the defendant to pay the fine to the aggrieved party."



    I don't see anything in there about prison. (Public Accommodation laws are Civil Law, not Criminal Law.)


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    The complainants can sue the baker civilly in the regular courts system or he can potentially be prosecuted by the district attorney for up to twelve months in jail.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-charlie-craig
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I can't wait till those who get tired of this happy horse poop rise up and force you to stop your bigotry against people with religious convictions. You say they have the right to pray and preach but you deny them the right to live out their convictions.
    Their "right to live out their convictions" ends when they violate the laws.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1.)He never should have been charged in the first place.
    2.) But in 21 states in our union, gays have rights even though they trample the religious freedoms of others.
    3.) Because freedom isn’t free. It has to be taken away.
    4.) And then redistributed to persecuted groups like two bored gay men whose idea of love involves suing people.
    1.) facts, laws, rights, ordinances all disagree with you and prove you wrong
    2.) nothing is trampled nobody honest and objective shares this fallacy. Im a Christian myself and i know this guy is simply an idiot for committing crimes, breaking the law and thinking he had SPECIAL rights and doesnt have to follow the rules and gets to treat people as lessers and infringe on thier rights.
    His religious freedoms are 100% in tact, 100% and no fallacy will change that.
    3.) another fallacy the owner has the same freedom of the group you speak of, sexual orientation is what is protected and that guy has his own sexual orentation.
    4.) i love when you just make stuff up its funny, do you have any evidence of this?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Maybe in your fantasy world...but not so in reality. When you open a business to the public you necessarily must comply with the laws of the land. sorry.
    So, what about that vast amounts of knowledge you have on natural rights, again? You know, that thing you didn't even know one of the foundations of? Want to talk about how little you know about property rights?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then your teacher was an ignorant boob. The right to discriminate is a natural consequence of the right to control access to your property.
    Pretty sure he is saying that no "natural rights" exist in with any legal standing...
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    1.) Then simply stop selling all wedding cakes.
    2.) I am not exactly sure what makes a cake into a wedding cake. Is it the number of layers? Placing figurines on top? Writing something on it?
    1.) yep this is an alternative that is legal

    2.) nothing in reality its a fallacy you wont get a factual answer on
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Pretty sure he is saying that no "natural rights" exist in with any legal standing...
    Well then, he must be another one of those people that believe the government creates his rights. Gosh, I sure hope they don't decide to take them away. I wonder what he will say if they do. Let me guess, that the law says it is so, but it's not so, even if his basis is the law gets to make the rules on what is so.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I can't wait till those who get tired of this happy horse poop rise up and force you to stop your bigotry against people with religious convictions. You say they have the right to pray and preach but you deny them the right to live out their convictions.
    1. The religious guy is a bigot and that is ok but those against his bigotry are bigots for not allowing his bigotry and that is... bad?

    2. If they have a business open to the public then they have tacitly agreed to abide by anti-discrimination laws.

    3. What is it so difficult to comprehend this?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So, what about that vast amounts of knowledge you have on natural rights, again? You know, that thing you didn't even know one of the foundations of? Want to talk about how little you know about property rights?
    Because you are either missing the point...are ignorant of it...or are just refusing to accept it. There is no right, "natural" or otherwise to open a business and engage in discrimination. I know that you are attempting to reach so higher platitude where people are free to discriminate as they wish...sorry. There was no "natural right" for the bigots in the 50's to refuse service to black customers....and there is no "natural right" for the bigots here to refuse service to gays. I know you wish it were otherwise...but sorry dude....it just isn't so.
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