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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    He never should have been charged in the first place. But in 21 states in our union, gays have rights even though they trample the religious freedoms of others. Because freedom isn’t free. It has to be taken away. And then redistributed to persecuted groups like two bored gay men whose idea of love involves suing people.
    How is enforcing anti-discrimination laws "trampling the religious freedom of others". This baker has the absolute right to pray and preach to his hearts content. He isn't free however to use his religion as a shield to get around the law and promote his/her bigotry.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Then simply stop selling all wedding cakes. I am not exactly sure what makes a cake into a wedding cake. Is it the number of layers? Placing figurines on top? Writing something on it?
    That was my suggestion earlier to those who live in states where it is a crime to deny a service. They could sell all other types of cakes pastries and work with private organizations offering wedding cake services to them exclusively.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I know all I need to know. I went to law school....so I know a little bit about property rights and "natural law". The reality is....you are trying to create a "natural right" to discriminate. No such "natural right" exists. Sorry....that's just the simple facts.
    Then your teacher was an ignorant boob. The right to discriminate is a natural consequence of the right to control access to your property.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes but that doesn't mean it isn't happening elsewhere. I never thought I would see the day a baker would be facing a year in prison because his moral conscience did not want to participate in providing services for a gay marriage.

    Where do you get a "year in prison" from?


    The Colorado statute actually says regarding the Public Accommodation law:

    "24-34-602. Penalty and civil liability.

    (1) Any person who violates section 24-34-601 shall be fined not less than fifty dollars nor more than five hundred dollars for each violation. A person aggrieved by the violation of section 24-34-601 shall bring an action in any court of competent jurisdiction in the county where the violation occurred. Upon finding a violation, the court shall order the defendant to pay the fine to the aggrieved party."



    I don't see anything in there about prison. (Public Accommodation laws are Civil Law, not Criminal Law.)


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How is enforcing anti-discrimination laws "trampling the religious freedom of others". This baker has the absolute right to pray and preach to his hearts content. He isn't free however to use his religion as a shield to get around the law and promote his/her bigotry.
    I can't wait till those who get tired of this happy horse poop rise up and force you to stop your bigotry against people with religious convictions. You say they have the right to pray and preach but you deny them the right to live out their convictions.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then your teacher was an ignorant boob. The right to discriminate is a natural consequence of the right to control access to your property.
    the value of property is variable, the value of humans is fixed. no one should be denied equal treatment due to property.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    people should be treated equally under the law, regardless of property.
    Then all property must be treated the same in terms of the owner having sole authority on who can access and use the property.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but it is you who is engaging in circular reasoning. I know you hate it...but the law is the law. In this country, if you want to open a business, then you cannot discriminate. That's just the way it is. Don't like it? Don't open a business. It really is as simple as that.
    LOL I know. And there's no private property outside of the law either. LOLOLOL Very natural, as practiced by most prehistoric societies and gradually being refined as more and bigger societies developed, into the rights and privileges and laws of civilizations.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I can't wait till those who get tired of this happy horse poop rise up
    I can't wait either

    Then we can force all of them out of business. Maybe even throw some of them in jail for rebellion
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then your teacher was an ignorant boob. The right to discriminate is a natural consequence of the right to control access to your property.
    Maybe in your fantasy world...but not so in reality. When you open a business to the public you necessarily must comply with the laws of the land. sorry.
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