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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

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    Then everybody is being oppressed to some degree... and that is kinda ridiculous.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Baking a cake is not affirming anything about its intended use, it is simply baking a cake. If I run a pet shop and know that a mouse is being purchased, not as a pet, but to be used as snake food, a religious sacrifice or in a scientific experiment it is still not legal to deny its sale on that basis. All the pet shop owner is required to do is to sell pets to any and all paying customers.
    That is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it and if you were a baker, no cake would be a problem for you to provide. But the one that does feel a moral conviction not wanting to participate in things they feel morally wrong has a constitutional right do decline such things.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People have the natural right to decide on who they will provide service and who they will allow entry to their property. This law is a violation of property rights and a violation of the right to your own labor and yes that is oppression. It is however NOT oppression for someone to decide to not do business with you. If they don't want to serve you or allow you entry for whatever reason that is their right.
    Not when they operate a business open to the public. Sorry...but there is no "natural right" to discriminate. The law is not even close to a violation of property rights. You have an extreme distorted view of what discrimination and oppression are. From what you are attempting to argue.....the blacks who sat in on the "white only" lunch counters were oppressing the rights of the bigoted owners so that they were not able to freely discriminate. Wow....just wow.....
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes but that doesn't mean it isn't happening elsewhere. I never thought I would see the day a baker would be facing a year in prison because his moral conscience did not want to participate in providing services for a gay marriage.
    sorry nobody honest buys this rewrite lol

    why would it be weird or shocking for a criminal to face penalties of the law?

    when you break the law and commit crimes theres always a possibility of paying for them crimes, this is actually what happened. And in this case the criminal and the owner was let off easy he wasn't even fined.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Okay, I'll try to make it easier. If a Muslim bakery refuses to write "Jesus Is Our Savior" on a cake intended for a Church social should they be forced to do so? Or would fair minded people respect their feelings on the issue?
    I thought that business was about making money...
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it and if you were a baker, no cake would be a problem for you to provide. But the one that does feel a moral conviction not wanting to participate in things they feel morally wrong has a constitutional right do decline such things.
    no they do not when it breaks the law and infringes on others rights

    its the owners fault for break the law and nobody else's
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not when they operate a business open to the public. Sorry...but there is no "natural right" to discriminate. The law is not even close to a violation of property rights. You have an extreme distorted view of what discrimination and oppression are. From what you are attempting to argue.....the blacks who sat in on the "white only" lunch counters were oppressing the rights of the bigoted owners so that they were not able to freely discriminate. Wow....just wow.....
    *head desk bang x3* There is no such thing as private property open to the public outside of the law. You're basically supporting your argument by your conclusion. We call that a fallacy. Since one of the foundations of property is control of access to such property and property is a natural right, there is little doubt that the government controlling access decisions of private property IS a violation of the natural right to control access to your property.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it and if you were a baker, no cake would be a problem for you to provide. But the one that does feel a moral conviction not wanting to participate in things they feel morally wrong has a constitutional right do decline such things.
    Then simply stop selling all wedding cakes. I am not exactly sure what makes a cake into a wedding cake. Is it the number of layers? Placing figurines on top? Writing something on it?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    *head desk bang x3* There is no such thing as private property open to the public outside of the law. You're basically supporting your argument by your conclusion. We call that a fallacy. Since one of the foundations of property is control of access to such property and property is a natural right, there is little doubt that the government controlling access decisions of private property IS a violation of the natural right to control access to your property.
    Sorry....but it is you who is engaging in circular reasoning. I know you hate it...but the law is the law. In this country, if you want to open a business, then you cannot discriminate. That's just the way it is. Don't like it? Don't open a business. It really is as simple as that.
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