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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

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disneydude said:
Thats what some people try to claim...and my point exactly...and exactly why the Bible cannot be used as the foundation for the Constitution.
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The baker did not try to use the bible as a basis for the constitution he used it as a basis for his private affairs.

It is you using an idealology as a basis to claim what is not found in the constitution
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
Equal protection under the law does not extend to equal service from private business and equal protection is not in the constitution.

I do not claim anything whatsoever about what the myth of jesus would think. Because he is myth.

But having said that yes the myth would not approve of gay men.
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Equal Protection is not in the Constitution? LOL.....okay....now I understand why you haven't a clue what you are trying to argue.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
The baker did not try to use the bible as a basis for the constitution he used it as a basis for his private affairs.

It is you using an idealology as a basis to claim what is not found in the constitution
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And like the court said...you cannot use the bible or your religion as a shield to get around the demands of our Constitution.
 
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disneydude said:
Equal Protection is not in the Constitution? LOL.....okay....now I understand why you haven't a clue what you are trying to argue.
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Cite the clause.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
Cite the clause.
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LOL....Article 14, sec 1. You might want to pick it up and read it sometime...then you wouldn't make silly arguments like "Equal Protection is not in the Constitution".
 
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disneydude said:
Thats what some people try to claim...and my point exactly...and exactly why the Bible cannot be used as the foundation for the Constitution.
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There's a difference in events in a religious manuscript and directives in a religious manuscript. That homosexuality is wrong is a directive in the Bible. Further, these people own a private business. If this were a publicly owned business, I'd be right there with you on it. But it isn't. It's private. Being that it is private, these people should be able to run their business as they see fit as long as it doesn't harm the public involuntarily ie they dump trash in the street, they play music too loud, etc. Following one's religious directives and beliefs is not something that should be infringed upon when the public is not involuntarily harmed. In this case, the public was not. These two could have gone to friggin Wal-Mart and had a cake made.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
There's a difference in events in a religious manuscript and directives in a religious manuscript. That homosexuality is wrong is a directive in the Bible. Further, these people own a private business. If this were a publicly owned business, I'd be right there with you on it. But it isn't. It's private. Being that it is private, these people should be able to run their business as they see fit as long as it doesn't harm the public involuntarily ie they dump trash in the street, they play music too loud, etc. Following one's religious directives and beliefs is not something that should be infringed upon when the public is not involuntarily harmed. In this case, the public was not. These two could have gone to friggin Wal-Mart and had a cake made.
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And two black people could walk down the street to another lunch counter....right?
 
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disneydude said:
And like the court said...you cannot use the bible or your religion as a shield to get around the demands of our Constitution.
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The court did not say that and the baker did not do it.

The constitution makes no such demands on people.

Still waiting for the clause
 
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CriticalThought said:
That is exactly what people do.
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And they're wrong for it, as has been proven by the evolution of most Christian's stances on things.
 
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disneydude said:
And two black people could walk down the street to another lunch counter....right?
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YEs exactly
 
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disneydude said:
And two black people could walk down the street to another lunch counter....right?
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Typical intellectually void argument from you. I don't know why I even tried.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
And they're wrong for it, as has been proven by the evolution of most Christian's stances on things.
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Its time to put Christ back in "Christian". Most "Christian" religions these days know little about the man they profess to follow.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Typical intellectually void argument from you. I don't know why I even tried.
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Sorry...but that is exactly what you are saying. Bigotry is bigotry is bigotry. You can't be a "Cafeteria non-discriminator"...picking and choosing what is ok based on your own likes/dislikes.
 
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disneydude said:
Its time to put Christ back in "Christian". Most "Christian" religions these days know little about the man they profess to follow.
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Nor do you.

Using the law to force a christian to conduct his life and business as he sees fit is not christian
 
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disneydude said:
Sorry...but that isn't America. Those bigoted views are no longer acceptable here.
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Yes it is and yes they are.

You contradict yourself a lot
 
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disneydude said:
Sorry...but that is exactly what you are saying. Bigotry is bigotry is bigotry. You can't be a "Cafeteria non-discriminator"...picking and choosing what is ok based on your own likes/dislikes.
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Sure buddy. Again, you never refuted my previous statement because you know nothing of the The Good Book. You just think it's all about a big hug and pat on the butt when you do something wrong, which isn't the case. You simply attempt to pull the heart strings on this instead of getting in the weeds of the background of it.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Sure buddy. Again, you never refuted my previous statement because you know nothing of the The Good Book. You just think it's all about a big hug and pat on the butt when you do something wrong, which isn't the case. You simply attempt to pull the heart strings on this instead of getting in the weeds of the background of it.
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This might be a better argument if these "Christian" bakeries would be more consistent. One such business refused the gay couple a cake but was happy to make a divorce cake, a cake for a dog wedding, and a cake for a pagan solstice party. This isn't about your book.
 
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Deuce said:
This might be a better argument if these "Christian" bakeries would be more consistent. One such business refused the gay couple a cake but was happy to make a divorce cake, a cake for a dog wedding, and a cake for a pagan solstice party. This isn't about your book.
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Consistency is not somethign which the law should require of ones private business.

Nor should following or NOT following a book be
 
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Deuce said:
This might be a better argument if these "Christian" bakeries would be more consistent. One such business refused the gay couple a cake but was happy to make a divorce cake, a cake for a dog wedding, and a cake for a pagan solstice party. This isn't about your book.
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Did THIS business do that or did ANOTHER business do that? Further, no one can tell a person how they can practice their religion. You can't tell me how to be a Christian no more than I can tell you how to practice whatever religion, if any, you are. What you are advocating with your "be more consistent" statement is that somehow the justice system should be able to rule if a person has effectively proven that they are following the edicts of their religion before being able to cite it as a defense in court. Is this what you meant by that comment?
Finally, it is about my book, the Quran, or any other book. It's called the friggin 1st Amendment which applies to ALL Americans including business owners. What is attempting to be proven by yourself and others on this thread is that the Bill of Rights applies to people until they buy a business. Then, it doesn't anymore because their customers rights now hold more weight.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Sure buddy. Again, you never refuted my previous statement because you know nothing of the The Good Book. You just think it's all about a big hug and pat on the butt when you do something wrong, which isn't the case. You simply attempt to pull the heart strings on this instead of getting in the weeds of the background of it.
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LOL....sorry....but I know the teachings of Jesus Christ quite well...and anyone who knows much at all about the teachings of Christ would see that the actions of this bigot run counter to everything that Christ taught.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
Consistency is not somethign which the law should require of ones private business.

Nor should following or NOT following a book be
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Just because you want that to be the law....doesn't mean that it is. There is a little thing called the Constitution that says otherwise. Oh...but that's right...you haven't read it.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Did THIS business do that or did ANOTHER business do that? Further, no one can tell a person how they can practice their religion. You can't tell me how to be a Christian no more than I can tell you how to practice whatever religion, if any, you are. What you are advocating with your "be more consistent" statement is that somehow the justice system should be able to rule if a person has effectively proven that they are following the edicts of their religion before being able to cite it as a defense in court. Is this what you meant by that comment?
Finally, it is about my book, the Quran, or any other book. It's called the friggin 1st Amendment which applies to ALL Americans including business owners. What is attempting to be proven by yourself and others on this thread is that the Bill of Rights applies to people until they buy a business. Then, it doesn't anymore because their customers rights now hold more weight.
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The religious freedom argument is undermined when you are applying your "religious" beliefs selectively.

And yes, actually, once you're a business that holds out to the public, you don't have the same rights as an individual. The first amendment is not blanket authorization to ignore any law you claim to oppose. If I run a restaraunt and really, truly believe that all illness is the will of God, can I be exempt from food safety laws?
 
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Deuce said:
The religious freedom argument is undermined when you are applying your "religious" beliefs selectively.

And yes, actually, once you're a business that holds out to the public, you don't have the same rights as an individual. The first amendment is not blanket authorization to ignore any law you claim to oppose. If I run a restaraunt and really, truly believe that all illness is the will of God, can I be exempt from food safety laws?
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Bingo!!!!
 
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disneydude said:
LOL....sorry....but I know the teachings of Jesus Christ quite well...and anyone who knows much at all about the teachings of Christ would see that the actions of this bigot run counter to everything that Christ taught.
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Jesus taught nothing about picking and choosing who to sell something to.

Obviously you do not know much about him or his silly book
 
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