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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

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    Okay, I'll try to make it easier. If a Muslim bakery refuses to write "Jesus Is Our Savior" on a cake intended for a Church social should they be forced to do so? Or would fair minded people respect their feelings on the issue?
    If they have produced "Jesus Is Our Savior" cakes for others, then they must provide them for the church social

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    I don't see the on going problem here. Don't open a business if you find a problem with the laws. Complaining later is stupid.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Unable to supply such a religion, you now change the subject to assert that these "undefined" religious beliefs trump the consumer rights of others. You may believe, as some Muslims assert, that infidels should be killed but that is not allowed because of the rights of mere infidels - that are not simply trumped to allow Muslims to be properly religious. If I invent a religious belief that commands me to chant endlessly in your church - is that protected too?
    You need a name of a particular religion, start with Catholics.

    Why the Catholic Church and ‘gay marriage’ cannot coexist - CNA Blog

    As far as your comments on infidels, we have laws on the books that do not tolerate physical attacks on other persons.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No one is being treated as less than a full person. Now if gay people were being treated like 3/5 of a person as Black slaves once were, then you might have a point but that isn't the case. At times there are conflicts between us in our view of what is moral. The question that should be asked is it moral to force another by law to do something that is against their own conscience? The answer should be NO! As marriage continues to be redefined who knows what it will look like in twenty years. Already there are groups of people in this country that don't see it morally wrong for incest relationships and want to know why there are laws on the books to forbid it. There are others who do not find it morally wrong to engage in polygamy and want to know why there are laws that forbid them in such relationships. It isn't a far leap before some judge somewhere will rule incest relations and polygamy legal. It is happening all over the world. Not if but when that happens, and a father and daughter wanting to get married, and the baker refuses to bake them a cake because he finds their relationship immoral, then the baker could be hauled into court for saying no. It is coming for those business owners who believe marriage to be between a man and a women will no longer offer their services to the public. The wedding planners, the photographers, the bakers, caterers will solely work with private organizations that share their same belief system.
    The answer, when the rights of one conflict with the rights of another, should be decided by a judge. Your right to freely swing your arm ends where my nose begins.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If they have produced "Jesus Is Our Savior" cakes for others, then they must provide them for the church social
    Not even just a "Jesus Is Our Savior" cake... just a cake in which any religious figure is idolized, or religion in general.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't see the on going problem here. Don't open a business if you find a problem with the laws. Complaining later is stupid.
    Just don't practice your right to open a business if you don't want oppressed. Sure...sure..

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So the marketplace worked. No government intervention was required.

    That's a matter of opinion. In my opinion all Public Accommodation laws as applied to private businesses should be repealed and the market place allowed to deal with those model their businesses on discriminatory practices.

    The fact is that our opinion does not reflect reality, the laws exist. A person that finds it morally wrong to sell to a gay person should get no more an Special Discrimination Privilege under the law as opposed to a person that finds it morally wrong to sell to a black person. The solution isn't to band-aid the problem and slap a special exception to discrimination and allow it only if the individual "claims" a "religious believe".

    The long term solution is to repeal such laws and let the market sort it out. Ya it will be messy, ya some people will be pissed, ya some people will be discriminated against - but such is the price of freedom and recognizing the property rights of the business owner.


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The answer, when the rights of one conflict with the rights of another, should be decided by a judge. Your right to freely swing your arm ends where my nose begins.
    A judge with a political agenda? A judge that refuses to interpret constitutional law but wants to play the role of the legislator as well? Yeah... Right.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Just don't practice your right to open a business if you don't want oppressed. Sure...sure..
    LOL....so now the bigots are the ones being oppressed? Wow.....nice attempt at turning the tables. Its like the racists who try to claim that those pointing out their racism are really the racists....too funny.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A judge with a political agenda? A judge that refuses to interpret constitutional law but wants to play the role of the legislator as well? Yeah... Right.

    The Judge didn't play "legislator". The Colorado legislature passed the State Public Accommodation law which includes sexual orientation. The law was previously posted in the thread. The State Judge ruled in accordance with the State Law.

    Sounds like you wanted him/her to rule against what the law said. You want the Judge to overrule the legislature and be an activist judge?

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