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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what you're saying is that people are forced into commerce at the behest of others.
    No. What they said was that if you are selling cakes to the public then you must do so to all of the public. You cannot use race, religion, ethnicity, gender or gender preference as the basis to refuse service to some customers. You cannot say, sorry we do not serve (insert any subset of the public) - your kind must shop elsewhere.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the baker had done business with gay customers before, why did he refuse to make a wedding cake?
    Probably because he is not against Gays but only, like Barrack Obama once was, against Gay marriage. It was also Bill Clinton who signed the Defense of Marriage act. It seems that the baker's feelings were shared by other people, and with far more influence..

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Please tell me where there is institutional discrimination against gays in the US.

    30+ States passed laws discriminating against homosexuals in the realm of Civil Marriage.


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    gays are an extremely small part of the overall population.

    Why would people stop shopping there because of this?

    Ask Mellisa of "Sweetcakes by Mellisa" who closed their shop in a similar case when business dropped off.


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That argument doesn't wash because that would indicate that the shopkeeper would have to sell to anybody that came through the door.

    Shopkeepers refuse service to people all the time.

    Public Accommodation laws, such as this one in Colorado do not state the businesses owners have to "sell to anybody that came through the door".

    Public Accommodation laws only restrict the reasons that businesses can use in denying services.


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No. What they said was that if you are selling cakes to the public then you must do so to all of the public. You cannot use race, religion, ethnicity, gender or gender preference as the basis to refuse service to some customers. You cannot say, sorry we do not serve (insert any subset of the public) - your kind must shop elsewhere.
    Oh right, they have to figure out ways around the force of the state to deny people service and practice their right to commence in commerce with only those they consent to.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what you're saying is that people are forced into commerce at the behest of others.
    Not at all. What I am saying is that if you choose to engage in commerce, then you must do so in accordance with the laws of this great country. In other words, business owners are not free to pick and choose which laws they want to follow based on their own individual "morality". They are free to have their own individual religious views in their private lives, but they are not free to use their religion as a shield to circumvent the laws and promote their bigotry. This is nothing new to America...this has been the law dating back to the civil rights legislation that came out of the sit-ins in the late 50's.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Probably because he is not against Gays but only, like Barrack Obama once was, against Gay marriage. It was also Bill Clinton who signed the Defense of Marriage act. It seems that the baker's feelings were shared by other people, and with far more influence..
    Why would making a wedding cake for a gay couples wedding be so contreversial for the baker?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Why would making a wedding cake for a gay couples wedding be so contreversial for the baker?
    Being against Gay Marriage is hardly 'controversial' as recent Presidents have all been against it. Pro Gay marriage seems controversial also.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Why would making a wedding cake for a gay couples wedding be so contreversial for the baker?
    Because it is difficult for bigots to understand that the world does not revolve around them.
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