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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

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    Those are not granted by government. In fact when government encroaches too grievously upon them, the People are justified in revolt. That cannot happen if they are granted by government. And by mere fact you claim rights are granted by government demonstrates that you do not understand the fundamental concept of rights. You're looking for the word "privilege". You do not believe in rights, you believe in government granted privilege.
    but if the government is supposedly elected by the vote of the people, does that somehow imply that it is the people infringing on the rights of the people??
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    but if the government is supposedly elected by the vote of the people, does that somehow imply that it is the people infringing on the rights of the people??
    No, because it's a representative Republic built upon law and restriction of government force, not a direct democracy. So the government's actions themselves are to be limited by the rights of the Individual regardless of whim of the majority.

    All government will trend towards tyranny if left unsupervised.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

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    And many atheists, agnostics, Muslims and Hindus believed a lot of different things as well. What is your point?


    It is about civil rights on both sides of the counter, which is just the point. Blacks and women are off topic.
    You asked for support, so I provided it. Then nevermind, I made my point.

    Blacks and women fought for their civil rights. There are many parallels in the actions that pushed those movements forward.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, because it's a representative Republic built upon law and restriction of government force, not a direct democracy. So the government's actions themselves are to be limited by the rights of the Individual regardless of whim of the majority.

    All government will trend towards tyranny if left unsupervised.
    and in a representative republic, we vote in the representatives. one can argue that the government is only fullfilling the interests of the people it represents.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, because it's a representative Republic built upon law and restriction of government force, not a direct democracy. So the government's actions themselves are to be limited by the rights of the Individual regardless of whim of the majority.

    All government will trend towards tyranny if left unsupervised.
    Which is why issues like this should be settled by the people rather than getting the government involved.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is not about racism.
    Nope, it's about civil rights. That's been pointed out for many pages now, as have the parallels in the ways that people fight for their civil rights. I know that you already know this, since you posted about being outraged that people were comparing the black's struggles and civil rights movement to gays doing the same.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post

    You asked for support, so I provided it. Then nevermind, I made my point.

    Blacks and women fought for their civil rights. There are many parallels in the actions that pushed those movements forward.
    If you can't debate the issue without involving Blacks and women then you can't have much of an argument.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Nope, it's about civil rights. That's been pointed out for many pages now, as have the parallels in the ways that people fight for their civil rights. I know that you already know this, since you posted about being outraged that people were comparing the black's struggles and civil rights movement to gays doing the same.
    It s about a shopkeeper's rights and the rights of a Gay couple who want to order a wedding cake. Obviously there is going to be an intrusion on the rights of someone.

    This can be easily resolved by the community and whether they want to purchase their goods from a baker who refuses to sell to Gays. My guess is that people would stop shopping there and the bakery would soon be out of business. It would be the bakers choice as to which he valued more. Ergo, we have to have more faith in our fellow man and the marketplace.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and in a representative republic, we vote in the representatives. one can argue that the government is only fullfilling the interests of the people it represents.
    The government can try as much as it can, but in a restricted system it is prevented from acting completely along the lines of the majority and must abide the rights of the minority. That's a Republic. You're thinking of a Direct Democracy, which is nothing more than mob rule.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It s about a shopkeeper's rights and the rights of a Gay couple who want to order a wedding cake. Obviously there is going to be an intrusion on the rights of someone.

    This can be easily resolved by the community and whether they want to purchase their goods from a baker who refuses to sell to Gays. My guess is that people would stop shopping there and the bakery would soon be out of business. It would be the bakers choice as to which he valued more. Ergo, we have to have more faith in our fellow man and the marketplace.
    the couple were paying for the bakers service, what reason did the baker have to deny the couple a cake even though they were willing to pay for it.
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