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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So imposing force on others is right? Interesting logic. You can argue that it's necessary, but you can not argue it's right.
    So it's not right to force someone not to have sex with underage children? I mean, according to you, forcing people to do things is bad. The government should stay out of marriage and abortion to. Interesting logic you have there.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Was it an insult to blacks when women fought for their civil rights?
    Do you believe you have a right to enter and use other peoples property and make the owners of that property provide your service? Furthermore, you do feel you have a right to maintain your employment when the owners of that property no longer want to employee you? You should perhaps change the term "civil rights" to something that more accurately describes it.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is nt about women or Blacks.
    Sure it is. It is about people standing up for their civil rights.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wrong. They are free to their beliefs. No one is preventing that. What they are NOT free to do is to use their religion as a shield to promote their bigotry.
    Let's get something perfectly clear. Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Being a state of mind, what one person believes is bigotry another may not. It is not illegal for a person to be bigoted toward certain groups. You have that right under the 1st amendment. However, you cannot threaten people or condone violence. You are just as bigoted toward the religious views of others as you claim them to be against gays. You state these religious people have the right to their beliefs but you are refusing them the right to practice them.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure it is. It is about people standing up for their civil rights.
    What rights are those?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You, as are many others, are confusing the rights of the baker with the idea that we support or condone his behavior. I certainly don't.

    But we have to allow him or her their rights,just as we allow others those rights, despite not agreeing with them.
    I make such personal and political distinctions all the time, in my personal and voting behavior.

    However I do believe in anti-discrimination laws, so I support this. I also support the state requiring a business to follow the legal stipulations in a contract that protects the public...meaning the business owner must comply.

    Those stipulations, laws, and guidelines also cover health inspections, OSHA, building and fire codes, etc etc etc. The business owner must comply with all of those to remain open.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you believe you have a right to enter and use other peoples property and make the owners of that property provide your service? Furthermore, you do feel you have a right to maintain your employment when the owners of that property no longer want to employee you?
    Yep...if they open their doors to the public, they have to comply with the laws of this Country. Regarding the right to employment....it depends on why they are firing you. If they do so based on job performance I wouldn't have a beef. If they fired me or refused to hire me because I was black, latino, female, gay...yes, then I would take issue with it...because again, you aren't free to set your own rules in the marketplace. You wanna take advantage to everything this country has to offer? Great....but don't expect that you can choose which rules/laws you want to follow and then try to hide behind the shield of your religion to avoid those you don't happen to like.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you believe you have a right to enter and use other peoples property and make the owners of that property provide your service? Furthermore, you do feel you have a right to maintain your employment when the owners of that property no longer want to employee you? You should perhaps change the term "civil rights" to something that more accurately describes it.
    if i am being denied a service even though i am a paying customer, i at least need to know why i am being denied service.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What rights are those?
    Specifically here we are talking about the rights of commerce. The right to not be discriminated against by a bigoted business owner....related to the same issue that was raised by the lunch counter sit-in in the late 50's.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Specifically here we are talking about the rights of commerce. The right to not be discriminated against by a bigoted business owner....related to the same issue that was raised by the lunch counter sit-in in the late 50's.
    The only right to commerce you have is to commence commerce with those that consent to do commerce with you.

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