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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But what you are displaying is sheer bigotry toward their religious beliefs and according to the Constitution it is against the law for you to violate those religious beliefs by forcing them through laws to do so.
    Wrong. They are free to their beliefs. No one is preventing that. What they are NOT free to do is to use their religion as a shield to promote their bigotry.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is not about racism.
    Bigotry is Bigotry is Bigotry.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    These laws forcing businesses with moral convictions go against most state constitutions as well. What makes them unconstitutional is they are being created by judges who unconstitutionally are legislating from the bench.

    Horse hockey.

    The Colorado Public Accommodation law specifically says businesses can't discriminate based on sexual orientation. When the State law says you can't do this, and the State Judge rules that you can't do this - that is exactly the opposite of "legislating from the bench". Actually it's following the law passed by the legislature.



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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No one is being treated as less than a full person. Now if gay people were being treated like 3/5 of a person as Black slaves once were, then you might have a point but that isn't the case. At times there are conflicts between us in our view of what is moral. The question that should be asked is it moral to force another by law to do something that is against their own conscience? The answer should be NO! As marriage continues to be redefined who knows what it will look like in twenty years. Already there are groups of people in this country that don't see it morally wrong for incest relationships and want to know why there are laws on the books to forbid it. There are others who do not find it morally wrong to engage in polygamy and want to know why there are laws that forbid them in such relationships. It isn't a far leap before some judge somewhere will rule incest relations and polygamy legal. It is happening all over the world. Not if but when that happens, and a father and daughter wanting to get married, and the baker refuses to bake them a cake because he finds their relationship immoral, then the baker could be hauled into court for saying no. It is coming for those business owners who believe marriage to be between a man and a women will no longer offer their services to the public. The wedding planners, the photographers, the bakers, caterers will solely work with private organizations that share their same belief system.
    The state does not recognize selective morality...or religion....and so neither does it's contracts (business licenses). If you want to operate a business in that state, you must abide by it's laws.

    You sound like you are proposing 'separate but equal,' which we all know is not equal and SCOTUS did not support that either.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How would you compare two Gays not being offered a wedding cake in one establishment with the centuries long struggle, including a Civil War and murders, for the rights of Black people?
    Was it an insult to blacks when women fought for their civil rights?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The state does not recognize selective morality...or religion....and so neither does it's contracts (business licenses). If you want to operate a business in that state, you must abide by it's laws.

    You sound like you are proposing 'separate but equal,' which we all know is not equal and SCOTUS did not support that either.
    You, as are many others, are confusing the rights of the baker with the idea that we support or condone his behavior. I certainly don't.

    But we have to allow him or her their rights,just as we allow others those rights, despite not agreeing with them.

    I would not patronize this bakery if I knew what was going on and, I suspect, nor would many others.. The marketplace rather than the courts would solve this problem. Any business that refuses to sell their goods to certain groups will soon be out of business. Self interest will eventually overcome these petty bigotries.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Was it an insult to blacks when women fought for their civil rights?
    This is nt about women or Blacks.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm sure the bigots of Rosa Parks day thought that she was being just as ridiculous. The bottom line is Bigotry is Bigotry is Bigotry and sometimes you have to stand up against it.
    Exactly!

    "Oh she could have just moved a few steps further and taken her seat at the back of the bus. They were all going to the same place, she'd still get there. But no, she had to make a big fuss!" /sarcasm
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Thanks but I don't need your permission to do what is right.
    So imposing force on others is right? Interesting logic. You can argue that it's necessary, but you can not argue it's right.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is nt about women or Blacks.
    That's right, it's about a group fighting for their civil rights just like women and blacks did in this country. Yet you continue to say it is not the same. YOU chose to minimize their struggle and their rights in America.

    It was super 'inconvenient' when blacks and women fought for their rights...in the streets and in the courts...too. Didnt make it wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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