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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

You have specifically stated in this thread numerous times that you do support a business's right to discriminate. WTF are you talking about! :lol:

If you are for a business's right to discriminate against people then you are for discrimination. There really is no way around that fact. Throw out all the disclaimers you like.

No. That is a ridiculous and inaccurate statement. Let me ask you:

If one is for the freedom of speech...even if said freedom allows racist speech...then you are for racist speech. And yet I am willing to make a bet that you would argue you are not for racist speech? Right? Or do you not support the right to free speech?

You see how your poor logic would work against someone who is actually for freedom? You obviously want more nanny state government to protect someone's feelings. The fact is that...even though this guy is a bigoted scumbag...he should have every right to be a bigoted scumbag. It is his property and his services.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

But there is no religious ground or any other basis for the refusal other than their skin color. The baker in this case has a legitimate religious basis.

The religion in question is irrelevant. "Religion" is not some umbrella one can hide behind in order to violate a person's rights.

It is illegal to discriminate against a person's religion, race, gender, colour or sexual orientation. According to you a Muslim baker can refuse to bake a Jew a cake.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

But you're making an argument based on false premise.

The baker clearly stated to the court that he was willing to bake birthday cakes, baby shower cakes for the gay couples, just not their wedding which was against his religious belief. Therefore, it has nothing to do with his like or dislike of the customers.

Absolutely it did. He was treating the gay customers differently that other customers. That is like saying to a black customer....yes, you can ride on my bus, but ya hafta sit in the back. That is not OK in America and this Baker is learning the hard way. If he had only been a little more Christ-like in his actions.....
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

No. The product that the baker normally produces is a wedding cake, period. He wanted to be able to discriminate on only sell them to heterosexuals. Understand now? You are misconstruing the product with the business practice.
Nope. The baker would be happy to sell any cakes to anybody gay or straight, just not a gay theme wedding cake which he wanted no part of due to religious ground.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Absolutely it did. He was treating the gay customers differently that other customers. That is like saying to a black customer....yes, you can ride on my bus, but ya hafta sit in the back. That is not OK in America and this Baker is learning the hard way. If he had only been a little more Christ-like in his actions.....
Mind tell me on what legitimate basis the bus driver can request that other than the skin color?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Nope. The baker would be happy to sell any cakes to anybody gay or straight, just not a gay theme wedding cake which he wanted no part of due to religious ground.

Its a friggin cake....no one was asking him to attend the wedding....geeeessh!
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

The religion in question is irrelevant. "Religion" is not some umbrella one can hide behind in order to violate a person's rights.

It is illegal to discriminate against a person's religion, race, gender, colour or sexual orientation. According to you a Muslim baker can refuse to bake a Jew a cake.
The religion is relevant by the the Constitution of the United States. You stated "It is illegal to discriminate against a person's religion" but then that's precisely what you are doing to the baker based on his religious belief.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Mind tell me on what legitimate basis the bus driver can request that other than the skin color?

A lot of people use their religious beliefs that blacks are inferior to whites.....Blacks weren't allowed in a number of churches based on religious superiority beliefs.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

No. That is a ridiculous and inaccurate statement. Let me ask you:

If one is for the freedom of speech...even if said freedom allows racist speech...then you are for racist speech. And yet I am willing to make a bet that you would argue you are not for racist speech? Right? Or do you not support the right to free speech?

You see how your poor logic would work against someone who is actually for freedom? You obviously want more nanny state government to protect someone's feelings. The fact is that...even though this guy is a bigoted scumbag...he should have every right to be a bigoted scumbag. It is his property and his services.

:lol: That doesn't show that I made a ridiculous and inaccurate statement.

I am for freedom of speech even if it is racist. Saying racist things does not violate anybody's rights. If a black guy wants to say that whites are whatever racist thing he wants, that is fine. What he can't do is talk about harming them, or hate speech. This baker has the right to be the biggest bigoted scumbag on the planet. What he does not have the right to do is to practice that bigotry by denying service to others...

I don't want any government interaction... but I am a realist and realize that without government interaction we will have rampant racism just like we used to.

Before pointing out poor logic re-read your posts.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Its a friggin cake....no one was asking him to attend the wedding....geeeessh!
That's what we're talking about, a friggin cake. Then go to another store and get a generic friggin wedding cakes and stop clogging up the court with frivolous lawsuit already.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

That's what we're talking about, a friggin cake. Then go to another store and get a generic friggin wedding cakes and stop clogging up the court with frivolous lawsuit already.

Why do you believe that blacks should have to walk down the street to another restaurant, just because some bigot doesn't want to serve them?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

A lot of people use their religious beliefs that blacks are inferior to whites.....Blacks weren't allowed in a number of churches based on religious superiority beliefs.
Please quote me from the Bible regarding your claim.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Its a friggin cake....no one was asking him to attend the wedding....geeeessh!

It was a friggin cake and nothing more, they could have gone elsewhere to get it.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

The religion is relevant by the the Constitution of the United States. You stated "It is illegal to discriminate against a person's religion" but then that's precisely what you are doing to the baker based on his religious belief.

:lol: No.

The baker is not being discriminated against by having to serve somebody he doesn't religiously think he should. That makes no sense! He IS THE ONE DISCRIMINATING.

I said bodies of the beautiful ladies. Other the other side of the coin would be about male bodies. I didn't say anything about genitals so why would you talk about penises?

With regards to the photographer I said pictures of lovely heterosexual ladies versus pictures of lovely homosexual ladies... you are saying that the photographer can discriminate, in that instance?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Why do you believe that blacks should have to walk down the street to another restaurant, just because some bigot doesn't want to serve them?
Like I said, there is no legitimate basis for that. So why are you beating a dead horse?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

The religion is relevant by the the Constitution of the United States. You stated "It is illegal to discriminate against a person's religion" but then that's precisely what you are doing to the baker based on his religious belief.

The reality is....this had more to do with this baker's bigoted right-wing social agenda then it had to do with his religion. He is like the Pharisee that Christ talked about that loves to stand on the corner shouting his prayers so that others can see him. The reality is...while this man professes to be a follower of Christ, his actions say something completely opposite.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

That's what we're talking about, a friggin cake. Then go to another store and get a generic friggin wedding cakes and stop clogging up the court with frivolous lawsuit already.

It isn't frivolous... it is discrimination. It is the same as a person being denied a job because they are a woman.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Like I said, there is no legitimate basis for that. So why are you beating a dead horse?

Well...then why are you saying its ok? Why should a bigoted business owner be able to use their religion or their "moral convictions" to exclude someone from their lunch counter?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

No, it doesn't. It just puts the responsibility unto the People. Government acts to prevent violations of right, and there was plenty of discrimination prior that violated rights. Government force may rightfully be used in those situations to remove the discrimination. But in this case it's cake. In this case we're talking individual business and you don't have a right to another man's property and labor. Ergo, government force is not appropriate. It thus falls upon our shoulders to uphold the morality of society and we must execute informed and intelligent consumerism along with social activism to push for change.

Government laws represent societal morals... it is the fundamental part of the social contract and why we are more free with government and laws than without.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Like I said, there is no legitimate basis for that. So why are you beating a dead horse?

Because it is a logical analogy that shows the error of your argument...
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

It was a friggin cake and nothing more, they could have gone elsewhere to get it.

Don't have to. The laws of our country protect our civil rights. Sorry if that bothers you. Get used to it.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

It was a friggin cake and nothing more, they could have gone elsewhere to get it.

They shouldn't have to. If the baker doesn't like he can give back his business license, curl up in a ball and whine about it along with you and dolphin.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Government laws represent societal morals... it is the fundamental part of the social contract and why we are more free with government and laws than without.

No, government laws protect the rights and liberties of the individual. If you want to push your religious morals, keep them to yourself.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

They shouldn't have to. If the baker doesn't like he can give back his business license, curl up in a ball and whine about it along with you and dolphin.

Of course they shouldn't have to. But life isn't about the should. It's about rights, liberty and freedom. You cannot attack freedom merely because you do not like the results.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

and that is exactly what the court said.....thank you.
 
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