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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The marketplace can determine whether people are discriminatory, as it did in the other case mentioned. There is no need for the courts to get involved.

    This going to court business has just become too silly, though it is interesting to see the leftists getting all excited about being tough on criminals.

    I agree, I support the repeal of all Public Accommodation laws as they apply to private business. The only Public Accommodation laws, IMHO, that should remain in place are those applicable to government entities. Government entities should not have the prerogative of discriminating against citizens and they should be restricted from entering into legal contracts with private entities that discriminate. Private businesses on the other hand should be able to refuse service for any reason.

    But see that's what most people can't stomach. Repeal of Public Accommodation law on race, religion, sex, national origin - nope - see those are OK. But the "gays", they shouldn't be included - nope not the gays. There needs to be special dispensation to discriminate against them.

    However, discussing what I think the laws should be and discussing what the laws actually are are two different things.


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Your hyperbole is over the top.
    Not really.

    If I can claim a moral conscience exception for the gays, why wouldn't that count for other types of moral conscience claims?

    Or do moral conscience exceptions only apply to the gheys?


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The marketplace can determine whether people are discriminatory, as it did in the other case mentioned. There is no need for the courts to get involved.

    This going to court business has just become too silly, though it is interesting to see the leftists getting all excited about being tough on criminals.
    Oh yea, like that marketplace in Selma Alabama? You know, the one where black people got lynched for getting uppity and demanding the same rights as white people? Yea, right.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Repeal of Public Accommodation law on race, religion, sex, national origin - nope - see those are OK. But the "gays", they shouldn't be included - nope not the gays. There needs to be special dispensation to discriminate against them.>>>>
    Has that been your experience, or that of your friends? I don't see this happening at all, which is why it is news.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Oh yea, like that marketplace in Selma Alabama? You know, the one where black people got lynched for getting uppity and demanding the same rights as white people? Yea, right.
    The moment anyone starts talking of lynching Gays, you let me know, okay?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    1.)So the business is no longer open
    2.)largely because of the community response, right?
    3.) So what does the government need to do again?
    1.) it is open the store front isnt open
    2.) wrong because she broke the law
    3.) continue to enforce laws and protect rights
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Not really.

    If I can claim a moral conscience exception for the gays, why wouldn't that count for other types of moral conscience claims?

    Or do moral conscience exceptions only apply to the gheys?>>>>
    You don't seem to get it. You can have your moral conscience but don't expect it to carry it into the marketplace because your business will be dramatically effected. People just won't buy your goods. If you are prejudiced against any group of people you should consider this properly before you even open your doors.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Btw, I love how statist believe society and governance are the same thing. It's laughable really.








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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Has that been your experience, or that of your friends? I don't see this happening at all, which is why it is news.

    It's been my observation.

    When was the last time you say a thread on Public Accommodation laws arguing for giving a special "moral conscience" exemption for anything other then being allowed to discriminate against gay people.

    Why is a claim of a personal "moral conscience" any more valid for same-sex couples any more valid then for moral conscience positions against interracial or inter-faith couples.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1.)What part don't you get, it goes against their religious beliefs !
    2.) To force them is to violate their religious freedoms this country affords all its citizens.
    3.) You don't have a problem with forcing someone to do something against their moral conscience, wtf happened to their rights?
    4.) They don't deny their goods to gays, if they did that would be bigotry, but when it comes to marriage they believe it to be only recognized between a man and a woman.
    5.) But like I stated earlier, if they have strong moral convictions against offering wedding cakes to gays, they simply don't have to do so in public. They can seek out the business of others who share their beliefs through private organizations. Special orders.....not offered to the public. The bakery could offer all occasion cakes or any other pastry they wish to sell to ALL people.
    6.) This way they protect their business and do not have to succumb to legal battles or violate their moral conscience just to make a living.
    1.) yes im aware thats what thier claim is.
    2.) false nobody is forcing them, they must play by the same rules as us all, not getr special treatment they dont get to break the law or infringe on others rights. If they do that they will be CHOOSING to do that, they wont be forced.
    3.) well since thats factually not happening their rights are completely intact
    4.) they are still free to BELIEVE that nothing changed
    5.) 100% correct
    6.) no this way they dont break the law and infringe on rights, thats how they will be protecting their business lol

    but you hit the nail right on the head

    as a christian myself i would have to be a completely uneducated mentally retarded moron to open a businesses, get a license and think the law doesnt apply to me, that i get to break it, commit crimes and nothing is going to happen. I know what the rules and laws are that we ALL have to play by and if i break them thats MY FAULT and MY CHOICE and id have to face the consequence just like everybody else, i dont get special treatment.

    If i want to protect my business i simply dont break the law and commit crimes, basic common sense.
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