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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really, your abuse of the word society entertains me. The idea people must opt out of society to escape you is laughably absurd. Do you think your argument has any way to be legitimate?
    Escape me? You mean escape laws, taxes, regulations etc. Yes, people can opt out if they wish and shouldn't expect any of the protections, rights which come with said society. You've gone from ignorance of basic amendments to philosophical snobbery as per usual when you get obliterated in a debate. Now tell everyone here what friendship/partnership/membership you are forced to join through a 1 time transaction. You can't? No violation of freedom of assembly. This debate is done.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292]

    It's already required by law that an establishment has to serve any race and that it has to be handicapped accessible, adding homosexuals to that list isn't the end of the world.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, business owners are bullied by the government and made into involuntary servants.
    You can have that opinion, I think differently and thankfully this Judge also saw that these business owners were disgusting bigots and that there is no place in business for such behavior.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    I always get a kick how institutions are allowed to carry on until homosexuals enter them, then it's "tear down this institution!"

    "You have to allow mixed races to marry now:
    "Okay, fine, whatever."
    "Now you have to allow gays to marry"
    "Government out of marriage now!!"

    "You have to serve black people."
    "Crap. Okay, fine."
    "Now you have to serve gay people"
    "The government is trampling on my rights!"
    Last edited by Cardinal; 12-08-13 at 05:27 PM.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Escape me? You mean escape laws, taxes, regulations etc. Yes, people can opt out if they wish and shouldn't expect any of the protections, rights which come with said society. You've gone from ignorance of basic amendments to philosophical snobbery as per usual when you get obliterated in a debate. Now tell everyone here what friendship/partnership/membership you are forced to join through a 1 time transaction. You can't? No violation of freedom of assembly. This debate is done.
    That talk is done unless you wish to respond to my last post pertaining to it. As for this, society and governance are not interchangeable terms and this idea that you must opt of society to opt out of your control is laughably stupid. You're making it very clear that you believe in a falsehood as the basic foundation of your philosophy.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I always get a kick how institutions are allowed to carry on until homosexuals enter them, then it's "tear down this institution!"

    "You have to allow mixed races to marry now:
    "Okay, fine, whatever."
    "Now you have to allow gays to marry"
    "Government out of marriage now!!"

    "You have serve black people."
    "Crap. Okay, fine."
    "Now you have to serve gay people"
    "The government is trampling on my rights!"
    Libertarians always seem to be the only ones who are firmly in favor of discrimination. Even most conservatives will side against discrimination from time to time. But Libertarians? These are some of the same people who don't understand that demand for child porn causes it to exist in the first place.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That talk is done unless you wish to respond to my last post pertaining to it. As for this, society and governance are not interchangeable terms and this idea that you must opt of society to opt out of your control is laughably stupid. You're making it very clear that you believe in a falsehood as the basic foundation of your philosophy.
    Kk Henrin, here you go again - I've made it into point form so you don't get lost:

    1. Freedom of assembly does not apply to one time transactions which have no bearing on the beliefs of the individuals performing them. (5 of your posts)
    2. You don't have a fictitious right to something you haven't paid for. (3 of your posts)
    3. Laws moderate/limit/regulate rights as rights are not without limitations (2 of your posts)
    4. In order to live within a society and be eligible to some rights/benefits/privileges one must comply with certain societal demands (your last 2 posts).

    Don't like it? Too bad.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Kk Henrin, here you go again - I've made it into point form so you don't get lost:

    1. Freedom of assembly does not apply to one time transactions which have no bearing on the beliefs of the individuals performing them. (5 of your posts)
    2. You don't have a fictitious right to something you haven't paid for. (3 of your posts)
    3. Laws moderate/limit/regulate rights as rights are not without limitations (2 of your posts)
    4. In order to live within a society and be eligible to some rights/benefits/privileges one must comply with certain societal demands (your last 2 posts).

    Don't like it? Too bad.
    You're blending our talks together for little reason. I see that you are still confusing society and governance and making the absurd argument that they are one in the same. Hint: They're not.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Libertarians always seem to be the only ones who are firmly in favor of discrimination. Even most conservatives will side against discrimination from time to time. But Libertarians? These are some of the same people who don't understand that demand for child porn causes it to exist in the first place.
    Who said they are in favor of discrimination? Do you not grasp the difference between protecting property rights and supporting people discriminating against others?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You can have that opinion, I think differently and thankfully this Judge also saw that these business owners were disgusting bigots and that there is no place in business for such behavior.
    I don't honestly care what a judge thinks that was appointed by people that agree with him. His opinion means nothing to me.

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