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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Hatuey, if it's private, it's private. If it's public, it's public. Stop beating around the bush and make your friggin point. I've demonstrated the difference between a private entity and a public entity. You know the difference. I know the difference. We simply have different interpretations of what each should be allowed to do. Now, make your point or I'm going to move along to another thread. This 20 questions crap is getting old.
    My point essentially boils down to this: Can a business benefit from all the benefits provided through tax monies and still deny the tax payers patronship on the mere basis of race, gender, sexuality? If yes then it sets up the groundwork for an illogical society where a tax payer can choose to pay taxes depending on who it helps. As that premise is illogical and contrary to the notion of what it means to live within a society, there are only three options left for a business:

    1) businesses completely stop using societal benefits/taxes/privileges thus freeing themselves from public accommodations status. (Unlikely)
    2) businesses continue to use societal benefits/taxes/privileges thus maintaining public accommodations status. (Very likely)
    3) businesses cease to exist if they do not conform to what it means to live within a society.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    My point essentially boils down to this: Can a business benefit from all the benefits provided through tax monies and still deny the tax payers patronship on the mere basis of race, gender, sexuality? If yes then it sets up the groundwork for an illogical society where a tax payer can choose to pay taxes depending on who it helps. As that premise is illogical and contrary to the notion of what it means to live within a society, there are only three options left for a business:

    1) businesses completely stop using societal benefits/taxes/privileges thus freeing themselves from public accommodations status. (Unlikely)
    2) businesses continue to use societal benefits/taxes/privileges thus maintaining public accommodations status. (Very likely)
    3) businesses cease to exist if they do not conform to what it means to live within a society.
    So basically you impose taxes on them, you impose a contract on them, and then because of both of these things you imposed on them you get to control them. Nonsense. Shear and utter nonsense.

    Go ahead though, try to convince me that because you imposed force on someone that other forces are warranted. You know it's nonsense I'm sure, but go ahead anyway.

    The great thing about statism is that the foundation of the idea is a fallacy.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Btw, I love how statist believe society and governance are the same thing. It's laughable really.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The ruling in is. Chalk another one up for the good guys
    Colorado judge: Bakery owner discriminated against gay couple - Washington TimesA Colorado judge ruled Friday against a bakery owner who refused to prepare a cake for a gay couple’s wedding reception.

    Administrative Law Judge Robert N. Spencer ordered Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, to “cease and desist from discriminating against complainants and other same-sex couples by refusing to sell them wedding cakes or any other product [he] would provide to heterosexual couples.”


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    Another ruling that bigotry will no longer be tolerated in America. If this baker is truly concerned about his religious beliefs....perhaps he should start by trying to be more "Christ-like" and try living the principles that Jesus Christ taught.
    You're right, they were pretty stupid about it. They should've been more subtle about it.... Like still putting a man and a woman on the wedding cake

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292]

    These "libertarian rights" arguments are what turned me away from the party as a whole. They always talk about how their rights are being infringed; whether it be the right to discriminate, pollute, exploit, oppress, etc.

    And that is what these threads are always about, the right to hurt somebody else for their own "freedom".

    Its such a silly thing, with all the big problems we have its a petty endeavor.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically you impose taxes on them, you impose a contract on them, and then because of both of these things you imposed on them you get to control them. Nonsense. Shear and utter nonsense.
    It's only imposing if they choose to live in a society. If they don't choose to live in a society, like so many, they can simply operate outside the bounds. It's not unheard of.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No. All types of property are only accessible to those that the owner of the property permits. Private property is owned by private individuals and thus those private owners have sole say on who enters and uses the property.
    Sorry but you are wrong. When you open your doors to the public, you cannot discriminate.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's only imposing if they choose to live in a society. If they don't choose to live in a society, like so many, they can simply operate outside the bounds. It's not unheard of.
    Really, your abuse of the word society entertains me. The idea people must opt out of society to escape you is laughably absurd. Do you think your argument has any way to be legitimate?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry but you are wrong. When you open your doors to the public, you cannot discriminate.
    Yes, that is what the law says, doesn't it? I wasn't talking of such things of course.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292]

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    not at all. You people think that the entire country wanted to segregate against black's, but many people did not. Can you imagine if every single black that was segregated against befor the 60's just decided to sue for the littlest things?

    The blacks cant help being black so they should not be segregated against for something they cant change. But if you decide to deviate from the national standard of acceptance, you should be ready to get hit with an assault of segregation, even though it is technically illegal.

    And yes, as most people in the world are straight or single, being gay/lesbian has not become nationally accepted. For us not to segregate against this the government would have t force every human being on the planet to be bi. Anything less will cause segregation.
    I am glad that the black population stood up for themselves. All bigotry is wrong and everyone is entitled to their civil rights. You are obviously living in the past century. Nobody is talking about forcing every human being to be bi...that is just a silly argument. What we are saying is that in 2013, it is no ok to be a bigot any longer...and the courts are going to continue to strike down discrimination every time it rears its ugly head. Welcome to the 21st Century JJB.
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