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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

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AGENT J said:
1.) i know
2.)as long as this criminal stops breaking the law he'll have nothing to worry :shrug:
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There are ways around everything, but still comply with the law.

I am sure you know that.
 
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Mason66 said:
That is a ridiculous argument.

Jesus was supposedly Jewish so why wouldn't a Catholic make a cake for their savior?

Is there any religious text that says thou shalt not make cakes for other religions?
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Er barmitzvahs do not celebrate Jesus, nor do ANY Jewish ceremonies, LOL What are you drinking?

And thank you! Is there any religious text that says thou shalt not make cakes for gays?

rolfmao
 
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Mason66 said:
There are ways around everything, but still comply with the law.

I am sure you know that.
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yep and i have no problem with that :shrug:

but when you get caught breaking the law there consequences, obviously this guy wasnt smart enough to not break the law, bigotry is commonly tied to ignorance though.
 
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Mason66 said:
I keep hearing in my head

I am here, I am queer, get used to it.
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Men felt the same way when women started appearing in the workplace. Whites were offended by it when they had to sit next to blacks on the bus and in restaurants.

I sure hope you're not proud of it.
 
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Mason66 said:
That would be Southern society.

Blacks did not have separate anything In California or New York.

Did you not know this?
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And what is your point?
 
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Mason66 said:
Really?

Which one had those babies?
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The question was about a terrible consequence and he posted a pic of a family.

Why does it matter? What man EVER had a baby. Really...you are getting pretty sad here.

Most definitely one could be the father. Or they could have adopted *Oh the horror!* Life as we know it is ending!
 
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Mason66 said:
That would be Southern society.

Blacks did not have separate anything In California or New York.

Did you not know this?
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You might want to learn a few things about redlining policies. You didn't need separate things within the same neighborhood when you could create entirely separate neighborhoods.
 
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CriticalThought said:
I'm still waiting for the examples of all the laws that are under attack across the world regarding pedophilia and incest marriages. You seem to live in a world where denying gays the right to marry is the only thing stopping a whole bunch of evil people from pushing through laws that would repeal age of consent laws and would allow siblings to get hitched. I'm sorry, but I don't live in that deluded and poorly informed world. I live in a world where I recognize that pedophiles can't ride the coattails of the gay rights movement because what they do is not consensual and where there is more justification to keeping family members from marrying than just "the gays can't do it so you can't either."
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Time will tell who was right. When marriage was redefined it opened the door for other relationships most would not agree to but on the basis of "discrimination" they will continue to seek changes in the laws whether it be lowering the age of consent in the the case of pediphiles or relaxing the laws in each state over incest marriages and of course polygamy. They can all use the argument of "discrimination" to have the laws changed just as gays showed it could be done.

Over the past couple of decades throughout the world incest laws have been challenged and today places like China, Netherlands, Spain, Israel, and Russia for a few examples all allow incest between consenting adults. The age of being considered an "adult" varies. Even here in the US, states are loosening their laws to allow first cousins to marry. And what was once consider taboo and came with it prison time, is now seen in several states as being something that may amount to a fine. By our standards pediphilla is based on age of consent. In countries throughout the world the age of consent is much lower. In fact while we were all focused on Iran and the nuclear deal, they passed a law allowing men to marry their 13-year-old adopted daughters
Iran passes marriage law allowing men to wed 13-year-old adopted daughters | Mail Online
Do a search at Wiki on "incest" to get the lowdown on how many countries have already legalized it.
 
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vesper said:
Time will tell who was right. When marriage was redefined it opened the door other relationships most would not agree to but on the basis of "discrimination" they will continue to seek changes in the laws whether it be lowering the age of consent in the the case of pediphiles or relaxing the laws in each state over incest marriages and of course polygamy. They can all use the argument of "discrimination" to have the laws changed.

Over the past couple of decades throughout the world incest laws have been challenged and today places like China, Netherlands, Spain, Israel, and Russia for a few examples all allow incest between consenting adults. The age of being considered an "adult" varies. Even here in the US, states are loosening their laws to allow first cousins to marry. And what was once consider taboo and came with it prison time, is now seen in several states as being something that may amount to a fine. By our standards pediphilla is based on age of consent. In countries throughout the world the age of consent is much lower. In fact while we were all focused on Iran and the nuclear deal, they passed a law allowing men to marry their 13-year-old adopted daughters
Iran passes marriage law allowing men to wed 13-year-old adopted daughters | Mail Online
Do a search at Wiki on "incest" to get the lowdown on how many countries have already legalized it.
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Wow. Iran. That great bastion of gay rights. They love their gay people so much they hang them up for display.

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I mean if you truly wanted to make a case that allowing same sex marriage would lead to incest and pedophilia how could you have picked a better case than Iran?

By the way, 1st cousin marriage is legal in more states in the United States than same sex marriage is and has been for a very, very long time

http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/state-laws-regarding-marriages-between-first-cousi.aspx

But I like you blaming same sex marriage for things that have already happened.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Wow. Iran. That great bastion of gay rights. They love their gay people so much they hang them up for display.

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I mean if you truly wanted to make a case that allowing same sex marriage would lead to incest and pedophilia how could you have picked a better case than Iran?
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there is no case facts prove its all crap
 
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vesper;1062646087In fact while we were all focused on Iran and the nuclear deal said:
Iran passes marriage law allowing men to wed 13-year-old adopted daughters | Mail Online[/url]
Do a search at Wiki on "incest" to get the lowdown on how many countries have already legalized it.
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O.M.G. Are you actually comparing ANYTHING in a fundamentalist religiously run Muslim nation to ANYTHING in the US?

And who cares what adults do, incest or not? There's no movement for marriage rights for that and no law in the world will actually stop the relationship. Genetic defects first generation are very rare....they only tend to be amplified over time and inbreeding. There are more chances of genetic defects in couples that have such genes, and KNOW it and still choose to reproduce. They do it all the time and 'take the chance.' There are no laws against it.
 
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AGENT J said:
there is no case facts prove its all crap
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It's kinda proof of how far people have to stretch to justify their position. And Iran is FAR.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Wow. Iran. That great bastion of gay rights. They love their gay people so much they hang them up for display.

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I mean if you truly wanted to make a case that allowing same sex marriage would lead to incest and pedophilia how could you have picked a better case than Iran?

By the way, 1st cousin marriage is legal in more states in the United States than same sex marriage is and has been for a very, very long time

State Laws Regarding Marriages Between First Cousins

But I like you blaming same sex marriage for things that have already happened.
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I never stated that incest or pedophilia led to homosexuality. I stated the same argument using "discrimination" the gays used to further gay marriage would be the same argument those who find incest and pediphilla and polygamy acceptable relations will use to further law changes.
 
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Lursa said:
O.M.G. Are you actually comparing ANYTHING in a fundamentalist religiously run Muslim nation to ANYTHING in the US?

And who cares what adults do, incest or not? There's no movement for marriage rights for that and no law in the world will actually stop the relationship. Genetic defects first generation are very rare....they only tend to be amplified over time and inbreeding. There are more chances of genetic defects in couples that have such genes, and KNOW it and still choose to reproduce. They do it all the time and 'take the chance.' There are no laws against it.
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A lot of folks in this country never thought gay marriage was a threat. Others never thought the incest laws would be relaxed. Now that marriage has been redefined, what makes you think this country will not see further changes? Maybe changes you aren't willing to accept?
 
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vesper said:
A lot of folks in this country never thought gay marriage was a threat. Others never thought the incest laws would be relaxed. Now that marriage has been redefined, what makes you think this country will not see further changes? Maybe changes you aren't willing to accept?
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I could not care less if adults involved in incest wanted to marry. For the reasons I stated earlier, I see no harm to anyone else. THey would just be 2 people who wanted to marry, who cares? I consider it immoral and wrong however it is not up to me to judge and it affects me NOR society not at all. (I dont believe the govt should be involved in marriage at all but since they are, then it needs to be applied equally).

Who goes around judging everybody like this? There are alot of people involved in alot of freaky stuff. It doesnt usually affect me and it's none of my business. We live in a country that PROMOTES individual liberty. Stay the heck out of other peoples' business.

P.S. Please tell me how gay marriage is a threat to you in any way?
 
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vesper said:
I never stated that incest or pedophilia led to homosexuality. I stated the same argument using "discrimination" the gays used to further gay marriage would be the same argument those who find incest and pediphilla and polygamy acceptable relations will use to further law changes.
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I myself never saw you consider it a 'slippery slope.' I only saw you compare gay marriage to incest and pedophilia (didnt see polygamy either.)

The DISTINCTION is that minor incest and pedophilia are ABUSE. Sexual and emotional and USE minors who cannot consent.

Gay relationships and marriage are about consenting adults in a committed relationship. Do you not see that difference? The US cannot 'allow' marriages that are infringements on the rights of one of the partners.
 
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Lursa said:
I could not care less if adults involved in incest wanted to marry. For the reasons I stated earlier, I see no harm to anyone else. THey would just be 2 people who wanted to marry, who cares? I consider it immoral and wrong however it is not up to me to judge and it affects me NOR society not at all. (I dont believe the govt should be involved in marriage at all but since they are, then it needs to be applied equally).

Who goes around judging everybody like this? There are alot of people involved in alot of freaky stuff. It doesnt usually affect me and it's none of my business. We live in a country that PROMOTES individual liberty. Stay the heck out of other peoples' business.

P.S. Please tell me how gay marriage is a threat to you in any way?
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Gay marriage is no threat to me unless it means my rights are violated in the name of "discrimination". If I find it morally wrong, how dare you force me to bake a cake for the occasion or take pictures or cater the reception or print the invitations? You talk a lot about staying out of people'ss business, then how about staying out of the business of those who do not wish to go against their moral conscience?
 
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TheNextEra said:
If the shoe fits. WEAR it. You wear it quite well. Your comments support that a business should be able to discriminate against who they want.
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Do you know how the quote system works? I submit a post and you can then comment on it. It really doesn't work if you make stuff up or accuse others of saying things they didn't say. I comment and then you deal with the comment, and not your imagination.
 
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vesper said:
Gay marriage is no threat to me unless it means my rights are violated in the name of "discrimination". If I find it morally wrong, how dare you force me to bake a cake for the occasion or take pictures or cater the reception or print the invitations? You talk a lot about staying out of people'ss business, then how about staying out of the business of those who do not wish to go against their moral conscience?
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Again, if you felt it was immoral to serve a black person or a Jew,you wouldnt have any standing under the law. Since gays are a protected class as well in that state, you would be subject to that law. Dont like it? Dont have a business where you might have to serve blacks, Jews, or gays.

Again....gays are who they are, they do not make that choice, and have the same right to pursue happiness as anyone else (in America, not Iran...it's a basic Constitutional right)....so your moral outrage seems hypocritical. You never did answer that question...which I asked you twice.
 
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disneydude said:
Look at your own quotes. This is exactly what you are saying...either that...or you are completely inconsistent. You have said numerous times that there is a right to discriminate over and over and over. Read your own posts.
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Who has the right to discriminate? The baker or the Gay couple?
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes, you have shown support for a business to discriminate against whomever they want. That is what your comments said. Oh wait, are you saying that businesses have a right to discriminate against gays and not blacks. Wow, you are back peddling there then.
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If you used the quote system properly you wouldn't need to ask what I said. Why not take up your problem with one of the moderators?
 
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TheNextEra said:
If the shoe fits. WEAR it. You wear it quite well. Your comments support that a business should be able to discriminate against who they want.
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Do you genuinely understand who is doing the discriminating in this instance?
 
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Lursa said:
Well, my high school girlfriend Debbie Zambrano's family bakery...very Italian Catholic....made lots of barmitzvah cakes and I know plenty of Jewish bakeries back East that made Christmas cakes and fantastic hot-crossed buns for Easter. So...they support those things that a truly devout person would not provide those services to them.

Most businesses, religious or not, serve people with whom they knowingly object to morally. And in these cases of religious beliefs, it appears they may be 'selective' in when they choose to "play the religious beliefs' card.
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If your friend Debbie found Jews to be immoral you should find new friends.
 
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Lursa said:
It's kinda proof of how far people have to stretch to justify their position. And Iran is FAR.
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definitely when theres no real argument just make things up
 
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TheNextEra said:
If you cannot understand that the U.S. does not tolerate discrimination based on sexuality, race or religion, I cannot help you.

These are current laws like those that say we cannot employ 5 year olds to work in the factories. Are you also going to demand an answer why we cannot allow 5 year olds to work in factories as well? You're being silly at this point.
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So we've moved from murder to rape to 5-year-olds working in factory. Apparently, in the mind of a leftist, refusing to sell a wedding cake and crimes against juveniles are easily comparable.
 
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