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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Jesus taught nothing about picking and choosing who to sell something to.

    Obviously you do not know much about him or his silly book
    You know as much about the bible as you do about the Constitution.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The religious freedom argument is undermined when you are applying your "religious" beliefs selectively.

    And yes, actually, once you're a business that holds out to the public, you don't have the same rights as an individual. The first amendment is not blanket authorization to ignore any law you claim to oppose. If I run a restaraunt and really, truly believe that all illness is the will of God, can I be exempt from food safety laws?
    Every person with a religion applies their beliefs selectively and yes the first amendment protects the right to do so.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You know as much about the bible as you do about the Constitution.
    Which is more than you.

    Still waiting for the clause you refuse to cite.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Every person with a religion applies their beliefs selectively and yes the first amendment protects the right to do so.
    Within the confines of their own personal life. It doesn't protect their right to discriminate once they open themselves up to the public.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Which is more than you.

    Still waiting for the clause you refuse to cite.
    You obviously cannot read then....go back and read......or do you still believe that there is nothing about "Equal Protection" in the Constitution.

    Oh...let me save you the trouble. Article 14, sec 1. You might want to read it...then you might not make such a silly claim.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Within the confines of their own personal life. It doesn't protect their right to discriminate once they open themselves up to the public.
    Yes it does, no where does it state " until you walk out the front door "

    Even when interacting with the public I have the right to my beliefs and to interact with others in accordance with my beliefs so long as I do not violate their rights.

    No one has or should have the right to patronize any business they wish.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The religious freedom argument is undermined when you are applying your "religious" beliefs selectively.
    So, yes, you do believe the US justice system should rule if a person has effectively proven that they are following the edicts of their religion before being able to cite it as a defense in court. Is this accurate?
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And yes, actually, once you're a business that holds out to the public, you don't have the same rights as an individual. The first amendment is not blanket authorization to ignore any law you claim to oppose. If I run a restaraunt and really, truly believe that all illness is the will of God, can I be exempt from food safety laws?
    Where does it say a business can't refuse service to someone based on sexual orientation?
    There's a difference in doing something that involuntarily harms the public and something that doesn't. As I stated to disneydude, if a business is playing music too loud at night, throwing trash in the streets, or as in your example, not following food safety laws, that's a danger to the public. Not making a cake hurts no one.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously cannot read then....go back and read......or do you still believe that there is nothing about "Equal Protection" in the Constitution.

    Oh...let me save you the trouble. Article 14, sec 1. You might want to read it...then you might not make such a silly claim.
    I can read you did not cite a clause and tell me the clause which contaisn that provision.

    That is what it means to cite something which you cannot do.

    BTW equal protection has nothing to do with selling or buying it has to do with GOVERNMENT as in we all have the right to equal protection UNDER THE LAW.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So, yes, you do believe the US justice system should rule if a person has effectively proven that they are following the edicts of their religion before being able to cite it as a defense in court. Is this accurate?

    Where does it say a business can't refuse service to someone based on sexual orientation?
    There's a difference in doing something that involuntarily harms the public and something that doesn't. As I stated to disneydude, if a business is playing music too loud at night, throwing trash in the streets, or as in your example, not following food safety laws, that's a danger to the public. Not making a cake hurts no one.
    Sorry...but if a bigot says that their "religion" or their "moral beliefs" prevent them from serving black patrons at their lunch counter....the law does not protect them. You might want it to be otherwise, but the Constitution does not allow it.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry...but if a bigot says that their "religion" or their "moral beliefs" prevent them from serving black patrons at their lunch counter....the law does not protect them. You might want it to be otherwise, but the Constitution does not allow it.
    The constitution does allow it other laws forbid it.

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