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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

that's why i get away with murdering everybody who steps onto my lawn.

Who is murdering you by not providing you service? You are being ignored, not murdered.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

you dont have a clue...
another failed insult and more incivility

so no facts to support your lie? got it

when you are ready to talk about the topic let us know, ill remind you what our discussion is

the owner did in fact commit a crime, I posted a link and definition to the word crime and it proves this fact to be true, you claim its not true so please supply us with the fact you have that make the dictionary and my statement wrong.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

States can pass statuatory law regulating commerce within its' borders. It's a power of a sovereign state.


i have stated you are correct.

however states laws do not override constitutional law...or u.s.code........and the DOI is u.s.code
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

i have stated you are correct.

however states laws do not override constitutional law...or u.s.code........and the DOI is u.s.code

The constitution is a limit on the federal govt, not the state.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

No. If they do not consent to provide the potential consumer service then no ones rights are violated. The consumer nor the businessman has the right to force the other party into the transaction for their benefit.

I understand what you're saying, don't get me wrong.

The simple fact of the matter is that we know what the world looks like when we do it your way, and it is barbaric and stupid and promotes inequality. You argument implies that we should let people create de facto discrimination because they have that right. Discrimination doesn't uphold rights! Don't you see that? It is clear that the goal of this nation was to let all men be born free and let their will and determinations define who they are and who we are as a people. We cannot be born equal if we live in a world where we are denied the services almost everybody else receives simply because we were born black, or a woman, or gay. The people agree with me on this one and for all of my ancestors, I thank god this will never change back to the stupidity it used to be. You lost this one a long time ago, but feel free to waste your breath arguing in favor of prejudice and hatred. Oh, I'm sorry, I mean in favor of the wonderful freedom to be disgusted by gay people and deny them your goods and/or services. What a tragic loss for the homophobes.
 
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The constitution is a limit on the federal govt, not the state.

wrong, the constitution WAS a limit of the federal government only, however that changed with the civil war, and states were included.

according to you then the first amendment then does not apply to states......is it time for a state religion?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

I understand what you're saying, don't get me wrong.

The simple fact of the matter is that we know what the world looks like when we do it your way, and it is barbaric and stupid and promotes inequality. You argument implies that we should let people create de facto discrimination because they have that right. Discrimination doesn't uphold rights! Don't you see that? It is clear that the goal of this nation was to let all men be born free and let their will and determinations define who they are and who we are as a people. We cannot be born equal if we live in a world where we are denied the services almost everybody else receives simply because we were born black, or a woman, or gay. The people agree with me on this one and for all of my ancestors, I thank god this will never change back to the stupidity it used to be. You lost this one a long time ago, but feel free to waste your breath arguing in favor of prejudice and hatred. Oh, I'm sorry, I mean in favor of the wonderful freedom to be disgusted by gay people and deny them your goods and/or services. What a tragic loss for the homophobes.

You talk of social problems dealing with acceptance and your solution to facing these problems is by violating the rights of people. Sorry, but that is no solution, only a problem. If you wish to deal with acceptance, then deal with it, don't deal with it by violating peoples rights.
 
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wrong, the constitution WAS a limit of the federal government only, however that changed with the civil war, and states were included.

according to you then the first amendment then does not apply to states......is it time for a state religion?

No, according to you, the constitution limits the Feds but not the States.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Who is murdering you by not providing you service? You are being ignored, not murdered.

Right, the hospital my great grandfather went to merely ignored him. Then he died from being ignored. It's not murder, it's just letting a person die, totally different. Why should hospitals have to treat Jews? Every time a hospital lets a Jew die, it makes my heart warm because I know that those doctors are truly free. It's totally worth letting a lot of people die for.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Right, the hospital my great grandfather went to merely ignored him. Then he died from being ignored. It's not murder, it's just letting a person die, totally different. Why should hospitals have to treat Jews? Every time a hospital lets a Jew die, it makes my heart warm because I know that those doctors are truly free. It's totally worth letting a lot of people die for.

Yes, it is totally different. Sorry, if that upsets you.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

No, according to you, the constitution limits the Feds but not the States.

i stated to you in the past, that is the way the founders set it up, that it only applied to the federal government, however unfortunately, the USSC changed it and included the states after the civil war.

if it didn't, according to you, then states can setup a state religion....i would like very much to go back to the original way...
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Right, the hospital my great grandfather went to merely ignored him. Then he died from being ignored. It's not murder, it's just letting a person die, totally different. Why should hospitals have to treat Jews? Every time a hospital lets a Jew die, it makes my heart warm because I know that those doctors are truly free. It's totally worth letting a lot of people die for.

Unless they refused to sell him cake this post is totally off topic.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

i stated to you in the past, that is the way the founders set it up, that it only applied to the federal government, however unfortunately, the USSC changed it and included the states after the civil war.

You claimed that USSC didn't have the authority to change the constitution. Now you're claiming it does.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Unless they refused to sell him cake this post is totally off topic.

Maybe they offered people cake after surgery.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

You claimed that USSC didn't have the authority to change the constitution. Now you're claiming it does.

i am saying that is what they did,...i dont like it.

are you saying states can set up their own state religions?
 
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Yes, it is totally different. Sorry, if that upsets you.

No, it doesn't upset me. You want an America where hospitals let people die for being Jewish. I think that's great. I think you should tell everybody you meet that you think hospitals should be allowed to let all their Jewish patients die. It would save me the trouble of having to explain to people why these equal protection laws are so important. Plus, you'd make so many new friends!
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

Unless they refused to sell him cake this post is totally off topic.

No, it's not off topic, it's part of the reason these laws exist. A bakery sells cake and a hospital treats patients.

Seriously, I have to explain that to you?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

i am saying that is what they did,...i dont like it.

are you saying states can set up their own state religions?

No, you are lying now

You have said that USSC does not have the power to change the constitution. Now you're saying it does.

Yes or no - Can the USSC change the constitution?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

No, it doesn't upset me. You want an America where hospitals let people die for being Jewish. I think that's great. I think you should tell everybody you meet that you think hospitals should be allowed to let all their Jewish patients die. It would save me the trouble of having to explain to people why these equal protection laws are so important. Plus, you'd make so many new friends!

Freedom is bad and dealing with social problems by actually facing them is horrible stuff. Why not just force people into service for others instead? Yeah, I like that idea better. That other way was hard.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

No, it's not off topic, it's part of the reason these laws exist. A bakery sells cake and a hospital treats patients.

Seriously, I have to explain that to you?

Yes, and a carpenter builds houses. Shall we go on?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

You want an America where hospitals let people die for being Jewish.

This is quite a serious charge. Can you point out where this was said?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

This is quite a serious charge. Can you point out where this was said?

It's been said in this thread by Henrin that ANYONE selling something should have the right to refuse a service to someone for any reason. Therefore, a hospital (under the logic of Henrin) should have the right to refuse to provide any treatment to a Jewish person if they wish.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

wrong you have NO exercisable rights on another person's property.

To open a business in a state, that property/business owner must apply for a business license...a contract that says, among other things, they may not discriminate against federal and state protected classes.

Are you saying that it is ok to breech that contract when you dont want to serve blacks or women or Catholics or gays? That is a civil law violation.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

The right to force people to associate with you.

That's not what freedom of association stands for. Nobody is forcing you to join a group of any sort.

The right to get service from other people against their will.

Against their will? No one is forcing them to set up a business.

The right to enter property that is not your own.

If the business is open to the public, you have a right to patron it. Don't like it? Move somewhere else. Mexico's nice. :shrug:

The right to use resources that are not your own.

Now you're just making things up to see what sticks.
 
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Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

wrong!

this is case of discrimination, it is not a crime.

if government states that a one citizen MUST serve another citizen, that is involuntary servitude, and it is unconstitutional

Yeah, it IS a crime, unless you want to go back to the days where blacks were not allowed to eat at restaurants, and had their own bathrooms and drinking fountains.

And involuntary servitude? That was known as slavery. So let's not claim that obeying the law is slavery. That is a lame argument. There is no comparison. Period.
 
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