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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You can not legislate racism or bigotry toward certain groups away. People will always have a belief or an opinion that others may find bigoted. That's life. But when you have discrimination laws that recognize only one group's so called rights while denying another their rights protected under the Constitution then you have bad law.
    I agree it's a bad law and would like it repealed. Repeal is the only avenue as the laws have been tested in State courts and Federal courts all the way the Supreme Court of the United States and consistently found to be within the Federal and State powers (under the 10 Amendment) to regulate commerce. However just because it is within their powers, does not mean that power should be exercised.


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    When a Public Accommodation law includes "Sex" men are included. Male is one of the two sexes ya know.


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    While that is true, Curves still exists. There are, what some people would deem "public" business, openly discriminating along lines of sex. But it's ok so long as that discrimination goes the right way.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    And here I thought we were getting close.

    The basis for the discrimination was a product normally provided which was denied based on the sexual orientation of the customer.

    Here is the law again: "(2) It is a discriminatory practice and unlawful for a person, directly or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from, or deny to an individual or a group, because of disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, or ancestry, the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation or,..."

    Providing some goods to straight couples and refusing those same services to gay couples is not "full and equal" conduct of the business.



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    The baker did not discriminate against gays as a class nor the other needs of the gay couples who complained.

    He was willing to bake any gay customers, including the gay couples in question, any cakes beside the gay wedding cake which violates his religious belief. There are many gay customers who are single and never intend to get married. So, with regards to all non-marrying gay customers, tell me where is the discrimination due to sexual orientation?


    There are businesses that truly discriminate customers based on sex or marital status. For instance, the ladies' night in bars and night clubs which some state supreme courts have upheld. How about singles' night and singles' events? And then there are also swimming pool facility that offers swimming hours for muslim women only or gyms that cater only to women or obese people.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    The baker did not discriminate against gays as a class nor the other needs of the gay couples who complained.
    Sure he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    He was willing to bake any gay customers, including the gay couples in question, any cakes beside the gay wedding cake which violates his religious belief.
    Exactly, because of their sexual orientation he denied them the "full and equal" treatment of the business.

    That is the very definition of discrimination under the law. That's why the judge found the baker in violation.


    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    There are businesses that truly discriminate customers based on sex or marital status. For instance, the ladies' night in bars and night clubs which some state supreme courts have upheld. How about singles' night and singles' events? And then there are also swimming pool facility that offers swimming hours for muslim women only or gyms that cater only to women or obese people.
    Report them to the appropriate authorities.

    But I can tell you what, I've been to ladies nights at bars, they can be wild. BTW - I'm a guy.


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    The baker did not discriminate against gays as a class nor the other needs of the gay couples who complained.

    He was willing to bake any gay customers, including the gay couples in question, any cakes beside the gay wedding cake which violates his religious belief. There are many gay customers who are single and never intend to get married. So, with regards to all non-marrying gay customers, tell me where is the discrimination due to sexual orientation?


    There are businesses that truly discriminate customers based on sex or marital status. For instance, the ladies' night in bars and night clubs which some state supreme courts have upheld. How about singles' night and singles' events? And then there are also swimming pool facility that offers swimming hours for muslim women only or gyms that cater only to women or obese people.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Sure he did.



    Exactly, because of their sexual orientation he denied them the "full and equal" treatment of the business.

    That is the very definition of discrimination under the law. That's why the judge found the baker in violation.




    Report them to the appropriate authorities.

    But I can tell you what, I've been to ladies nights at bars, they can be wild. BTW - I'm a guy.


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    Gays wanting wedding cake for their weddings do not represent the whole class.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Gays wanting wedding cake for their weddings do not represent the whole class.
    Thank you. That's pretty obvious, not sure why you said it. But thank you anyway.

    Here is one for you. I like Dell computers, I don't represent all computer users.


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So people are entitled to the property and labor of others is what you're saying.
    People are entitled to live in a society where businesses are not free to discriminate, yes...absolutely. That is one of the foundations of this country. We do not support bigotry and discrimination. Sorry...but that's the American way.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But you are demanding him to create something with his bare hands that will be used for something he is morally against. From the rulings coming from different parts of the country forcing cake decorators, florists and photographers, all artists, will be forced to produce anything a person off the street demands of them. Say a couple wants a photographer to take pictures of their wedding. The photographer is a Christian and the couple is holding their wedding ceremony at the First Church of Satan. According to your thinking, he should be forced to take the pictures because the photographer does wedding ceremonies. Or say a Jewish catering service who specializes in kosher food is asked to prepare the chicken and fish dishes for a wedding and finds out that there will be other caterers there preparing shrimp cocktails, bacon wrapped fillet mignons and pork chops in the same kitchen. According to you he has no right to refuse his services to those who ask them of him because that would be discrimination. A Muslim florist, who covers her head out of modesty, wears dresses that completely cover her legs and arms is asked to do the flowers for a wedding. The theme of the wedding is Adam and Eve. She is asked to provide decorative fig leaves as the attire for the bride and groom to wear during the ceremony which she finds offensive and according to you she has no right to deny this request. An atheist goes into a print shop run by take your pick (Hindu, Muslim, Jew or Christian) wanting fliers printed that are titled "God is Dead". According to you, this printer is not allowed to deny his service and must print the fliers and the printer is forced to sign his name to the work through his company name misrepresenting and violating his belief system. In other words what you are claiming it is perfectly alright for a person to be forced to violate their conscience, THEIR VERY BEING, in the name of so called discrimination. In other words you see people not being allowed to live their moral conscience if they have a public business. Unbelievable.
    Bigoted white restaurant owners were required to go against their "moral conscience" and serve black customers. Sorry....but that is the price you pay if you want to own a business in America, you aren't free to discriminate and impose your bigoted views on our community. I'm sure that there are a LOT of people who would prefer that blacks not be able to use the same drinking fountains or same restrooms as them, but we as a community have a right to say, Sorry, your bigoted views are not welcome outside your front door.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    never said it did another strawman and lie destroyed by facts, if you disagree simply quote me saying that
    nothing has changed the point that your statement was factually wrong
    let me know when you have anything that changes this fact
    Your argument is based off one opinion in one state. When you can base your arguments on the nation as a whole you will actually have an agrument, until then you have presented nothing.

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