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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    I see what you mean regarding my take on discriminating the baker's religion, sorry was in hurry trying to do several chores at one time.

    I should say violating his religious belief through the judicial power. I think it's totalitarian tactics for the judicial branch to force a private business owner to cater to an event that runs contra to one's religious principle.

    The baker was NOT discriminating the gay customers. He just just refused to be a part of the event. Event is not a person.

    With regards to female bodies, as a professional photographer or artist I would serve the ladies, gay or straight on difference. Just no men, gay or straight? Can the court force me to do otherwise?

    I think I need to take a break and get busy with my other chores.
    Work on your analogies when you get finished......
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    No dude....its paranoia. The big bad government is not lurking behind every corner waiting to pull their guns on you. In fact 99.9999999% of government operates without any violence whatsoever. It is in the rare case that the government actually resorts to any force.

    Most people in our society, follow the law.....not because they are afraid of the big bad government and their big bad guns...but actually because they believe in the concepts and understand that we need laws in a civilized society. Life is much better when you aren't paranoid that the government is coming after you every hour of the day.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not religious. Government laws protect the rights and liberties of the individual in that they reflect or morals regarding rights and liberties... this is pretty basic.
    The individual morals are designs of metaphysics and personal experience and are as varied as there are numbers of people. The government's sole responsibility is to our rights and liberties. Your religious crusade against bad thoughts is not proper concern of government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right... it is about rights, liberty and freedom that they have to not be discriminated against.
    The government is not allowed to discriminate, and that's where it ends. Property and labor are fundamental rights and you cannot justly use government force against those because you feel everyone should be entitled to another's property and labor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    In instances like this not only could we but we should.
    Incorrect, you will do nothing but enslave us all. It is our personal responsibility and duty to uphold our morals through the nonviolent use of consumer force. You cannot call down the force of government for everything you don't like, in a free society there will be much you do not like.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No dude....its paranoia. The big bad government is not lurking behind every corner waiting to pull their guns on you. In fact 99.9999999% of government operates without any violence whatsoever. It is in the rare case that the government actually resorts to any force.

    Most people in our society, follow the law.....not because they are afraid of the big bad government and their big bad guns...but actually because they believe in the concepts and understand that we need laws in a civilized society. Life is much better when you aren't paranoid that the government is coming after you every hour of the day.
    Most people in our society follow the law because they know what happens when they don't. Have you tried it? Don't comply, see how long it lasts. It's an experiment, I mean you want to run your mouth about paranoia and blah blah blah, so you have nothing to worry about. Clearly you can resist and not comply and no force will be used against you. Just let me know how it turns out.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Most people in our society follow the law because they know what happens when they don't. Have you tried it? Don't comply, see how long it lasts. It's an experiment, I mean you want to run your mouth about paranoia and blah blah blah, so you have nothing to worry about. Clearly you can resist and not comply and no force will be used against you. Just let me know how it turns out.
    Just more paranoia on your part. Most people are not "law breakers" by nature who only comply with the law because they are afraid of the big bad government and their big bad guns. Dude....any question that you aren't paranoid about the government is dispelled by your very own signature.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Just more paranoia on your part. Most people are not "law breakers" by nature who only comply with the law because they are afraid of the big bad government and their big bad guns. Dude....any question that you aren't paranoid about the government is dispelled by your very own signature.
    Have you run the experiment yet, or are you still just deflecting? What happens when you do not comply, come on now, be honest and reply.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Have you run the experiment yet, or are you still just deflecting? What happens when you do not comply, come on now, be honest and reply.
    LOL....ok....now that you are back to the government paranoia conspiracies....I'm done with you again.....see ya!
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....ok....now that you are back to the government paranoia conspiracies....I'm done with you again.....see ya!
    Can't answer a simple question of what happens when you do not comply. Says a lot for your arguments. Run away if you wish, it was a simple question with an obvious answer you couldn't give.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That doesn't show that I made a ridiculous and inaccurate statement.
    Yea. I did.

    I am for freedom of speech even if it is racist. Saying racist things does not violate anybody's rights. If a black guy wants to say that whites are whatever racist thing he wants, that is fine.
    Sure.

    What he can't do is talk about harming them, or hate speech.
    Um. Actually he can. He can say any hateful thing he wants. As is his right. He can't threaten them, but he can say all the hate speech he wants.


    This baker has the right to be the biggest bigoted scumbag on the planet.
    Obviously not. If he did have a right to be so...he wouldn't have made a cake for 2 homosexual people.

    What he does not have the right to do is to practice that bigotry by denying service to others...
    He should be allowed to refuse service to anyone for whatever reason. He is a private business. At what point does this stop? This does not set a good legal precedent. And that is the point of contention. You want to claim someone is a "bigot" because they don't want government involvement in PRIVATE business.

    I don't want any government interaction
    Actually you do. So why say that?

    ..
    but I am a realist and realize that without government interaction we will have rampant racism just like we used to. .
    And do you think that that interaction has set up a good legal precedent for MORE government intervention? Do you think that LEGAL action was the only way to intervene in this baker's issue? Or do you think these 2 people could have gone elsewhere?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    and that is exactly what the court said.....thank you.
    It actually said the opposite. It said, "if you disagree with someone you can take them to court and force them to serve you.
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