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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The ruling in is. Chalk another one up for the good guys
    Colorado judge: Bakery owner discriminated against gay couple - Washington TimesA Colorado judge ruled Friday against a bakery owner who refused to prepare a cake for a gay couple’s wedding reception.

    Administrative Law Judge Robert N. Spencer ordered Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, to “cease and desist from discriminating against complainants and other same-sex couples by refusing to sell them wedding cakes or any other product [he] would provide to heterosexual couples.”


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    Another ruling that bigotry will no longer be tolerated in America. If this baker is truly concerned about his religious beliefs....perhaps he should start by trying to be more "Christ-like" and try living the principles that Jesus Christ taught.
    This is not a victory for the good guys but more BS from the thought police advocates.

    Bigotry is and will be tolerated in peoples private affairs because they have the right to be.

    If one is a public servant working for government then such rules may apply but private business has every right to refuse service to anyone.

    Besides this is rather like the idiots who support socialized medicine. Why would you wish a doctor to treat you with a gun to his head? One " accidental " slip of the scapel and guess what?

    Basically the same logic applies here. The guy is making baked goods for people to eat and you want to force him to do so? Think some gay couples might now get the worst cakes the guy ever baked? Or maybe one with a little urine in it?

    The smarter move would have been to boycott or even advertise against him and let the market work.

    Neither you nor this baker have a monopoly on understanding christian principles they are fairly subjective and he has the right to live within his interpretation of them just as you do. Although his are probably more accurate to the teachings of the book which christians believe in.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    This is not a victory for the good guys but more BS from the thought police advocates.

    Bigotry is and will be tolerated in peoples private affairs because they have the right to be.

    If one is a public servant working for government then such rules may apply but private business has every right to refuse service to anyone.

    Besides this is rather like the idiots who support socialized medicine. Why would you wish a doctor to treat you with a gun to his head? One " accidental " slip of the scapel and guess what?

    Basically the same logic applies here. The guy is making baked goods for people to eat and you want to force him to do so? Think some gay couples might now get the worst cakes the guy ever baked? Or maybe one with a little urine in it?

    The smarter move would have been to boycott or even advertise against him and let the market work.

    Neither you nor this baker have a monopoly on understanding christian principles they are fairly subjective and he has the right to live within his interpretation of them just as you do. Although his are probably more accurate to the teachings of the book which christians believe in.
    I don't know what country you are living in, but people in America are NOT free to refuse service to people, our Constitution prevents against that.
    Don't like it? Then don't open a business. Or better yet, try living a true "Christlike" life rather than the perverted versions of "Christianity" that are mostly devoid of Jesus Christ...and are more concerned with politics and promoting a radical right-wing agenda.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    So in other words, you are fine with white restaurant owners refusing to serve blacks, you are fine with "White only" drinking fountains and having certain areas of theaters where people of color are allowed to sit and where they aren't allowed. Gotcha. Sorry...but that isn't America, my friend.
    I think that non-incorporated businesses should be perfectly free to be whites only, blacks only, or just about anything else they want to be.

    Most of them would be vile and reprehensible, and I'd hope that they'd quickly starve for business, but I think that they should be free to run their affairs as seems best to them.

    And you're wrong of course, for most of our history that was America. It still is in a lot of places, people are just sneakier about it.

    Liberty should be the standard that we deviate from only with compelling, not merely desirable motivation. Accepting less will sooner or later make slaves of us all, since at each step we'll be told, have been told that it's all "for the best."
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't know what country you are living in, but people in America are NOT free to refuse service to people, our Constitution prevents against that.
    Don't like it? Then don't open a business. Or better yet, try living a true "Christlike" life rather than the perverted versions of "Christianity" that are mostly devoid of Jesus Christ...and are more concerned with politics and promoting a radical right-wing agenda.
    In America we are absolutely permitted to refuse private services to other people and are constitution prevents no such thing in any way shape or form. The constitution is all about protecting individual rights and no one has the right to patronize a specific private business but those said businesses do have the right to turn down business ( even if it is stupid to turn down someones money for a legitimate trade).

    You obviously have never read the constitution or for that matter taken note of signs in resteraunts and motels etc which read " We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone ". The consitution is about controlling and restricting government NOT people and their privatebusiness affairs.


    You do not have a read of fix on what real christianity is and neither does the baker your version is as perverted as his.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I think that non-incorporated businesses should be perfectly free to be whites only, blacks only, or just about anything else they want to be.

    Most of them would be vile and reprehensible, and I'd hope that they'd quickly starve for business, but I think that they should be free to run their affairs as seems best to them.

    And you're wrong of course, for most of our history that was America. It still is in a lot of places, people are just sneakier about it.

    Liberty should be the standard that we deviate from only with compelling, not merely desirable motivation. Accepting less will sooner or later make slaves of us all, since at each step we'll be told, have been told that it's all "for the best."
    What's troubling is that so many people today see government as some paternalistic "they" who know what's best for us and who are content with that.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What's troubling is that so many people today see government as some paternalistic "they" who know what's best for us and who are content with that.
    Very true.

    The OP actually seems to think such language is in the constitution

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    In America we are absolutely permitted to refuse private services to other people and are constitution prevents no such thing in any way shape or form. The constitution is all about protecting individual rights and no one has the right to patronize a specific private business but those said businesses do have the right to turn down business ( even if it is stupid to turn down someones money for a legitimate trade).

    You obviously have never read the constitution or for that matter taken note of signs in resteraunts and motels etc which read " We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone ". The consitution is about controlling and restricting government NOT people and their privatebusiness affairs.


    You do not have a read of fix on what real christianity is and neither does the baker your version is as perverted as his.
    LOL....well sir....you are just plain and simply wrong. The US Constitution does not permit private businesses to discriminate. This is exactly what prevent private restaurant owners from refusing to serve black customers at their lunch counters....and it is what prevents Bakers from using their bigotry to refuse service to gay couples. Sorry....thats just the way it is. While America allows for anyone to hold whatever personal bigoted views they want, America does not allow people to use religion as a shield to impose their bigoted views on the public.

    I love the fact that you try to argue that placing a silly sign inside a business allows one to disregard the Constitution. Those signs don't mean squat. If they did, don't you think a number of white business owners would have put those signs in the restaurants so that they didn't have to "violate" their own moral views and could refuse service to black patrons?....too funny.

    As far as "Real Christianity". I know what Christ taught....and most so called "Christian" religions are so far away from the teachings of Jesus Christ these days, that Jesus himself wouldn't even recognize their doctrine. .but absolutely....they are free to preach whatever they want...and on a personal level....they can live their own personal lives any way they want....but if they want to operate a business, they must do so within the confines of our Constitution. They cannot use their religion as a shield to impose their bigotry on the public. Sorry man.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Was it "bullying" digs...to force bigoted restaurant owners into serving blacks? Bigotry in the name of religion is still bigotry.
    No one should be forced to serve anyone regardless of the so-called law.

    I would have baked these fruitcakes a wedding cake they would have remembered for a long time after their so-called wedding.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....well sir....you are just plain and simply wrong. The US Constitution does not permit private businesses to discriminate. This is exactly what prevent private restaurant owners from refusing to serve black customers at their lunch counters....and it is what prevents Bakers from using their bigotry to refuse service to gay couples. Sorry....thats just the way it is. While America allows for anyone to hold whatever personal bigoted views they want, America does not allow people to use religion as a shield to impose their bigoted views on the public.

    I love the fact that you try to argue that placing a silly sign inside a business allows one to disregard the Constitution. Those signs don't mean squat. If they did, don't you think a number of white business owners would have put those signs in the restaurants so that they didn't have to "violate" their own moral views and could refuse service to black patrons?....too funny.

    As far as "Real Christianity". I know what Christ taught....and most so called "Christian" religions are so far away from the teachings of Jesus Christ these days, that Jesus himself wouldn't even recognize their doctrine. .but absolutely....they are free to preach whatever they want...and on a personal level....they can live their own personal lives any way they want....but if they want to operate a business, they must do so within the confines of our Constitution. They cannot use their religion as a shield to impose their bigotry on the public. Sorry man.
    I am absolutely correct and there is nothing in the constituion you can quote forbidding such practices.

    Refusing to do business with someone is not imposing your view on them. Taking them to court and forcing them to conduct business IS imposing your view on them.

    The racial segregation in the south was more the result of state laws requiring segregation which is just as bad as forbidding it. They forbade racial discrimination but not in terms of refusing service. basically is I run a resteraunt I can not order blacks to sit in a certain spot but I can tell them to leave I do not want their money.

    Conducting your private affairs ( and business is private ) with whoever you choose is protected by the constitution even if it is for stupid reasons you cannot quote a clause which states otherwise.


    Once again you seem to confuse that the constitution is about restricting government not people.

    The signs I refer to which claim mean squat are a statement of personal rights and mean exactly what they say.

    I daresay you know little like most christians about what christ taught and part of the evidence for this is that it is you wishing to impose your view of christianity on others the baker did not.

    Unlike those you support he was practicing and living within the confines of our constitution.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    No one should be forced to serve anyone regardless of the so-called law.

    I would have baked these fruitcakes a wedding cake they would have remembered for a long time after their so-called wedding.
    You are certainly entitled to your bigoted views. That is what is great about America.
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