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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ... but they asked him to perform FOR a gay wedding.
    So Friggin what! Blacks asked white restaurant owners to serve them at their lunch counters. If you open a business, you have to abide by the rules. There is no special right to discriminate because you want to claim your religion grants you that. If this man were TRULY Christian....he should start by being more Christlike in his actions.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    So Friggin what! Blacks asked white restaurant owners to serve them at their lunch counters. If you open a business, you have to abide by the rules. There is no special right to discriminate because you want to claim your religion grants you that. If this man were TRULY Christian....he should start by being more Christlike in his actions.
    And during the 1800s, the rules were that blacks were property. Lets drop the "its the rules" argument now, please.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yep filed and based on discrimination which in fact makes it not about cake. Please stop posting lies you posted it was based on cake and discrimination was secondary both proven wrong.
    2.) another deflection and yet your statement was and is still factually wrong, only straw man posted around here was yours and facts and multiple posters proved that.
    3.) correct and nobody ever said it was, this is why this strawman continues to be a complete failure
    4.) they factually were not discriminated against for cake they were discriminated against for thier sexual orientation. This is why your statement about cake is a complete false and why cake is meaningless.
    5.) correct please post another failed straw man that is meaningless to the facts.

    Facts defeat your post again.
    It was discrimination over cake. There are lots of forms of discrimination and not all should be illegal. The ones we must protect against are those that infringe upon rights. And one has no right to somebody's cake.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There are many similar examples of blacks getting the same treatment in restaurants.

    "Strawman avoided"

    Besides, it's not a strawman in the example of showing how people have to do many things, even small things, in order to advance the greater good of achieving their civil rights.
    Government may not discriminate, but private enterprise may as it is property and labor. Less the discrimination infringes on rights, there is no justification for using the guns of government. And you don't have the right to be serviced by others.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It was discrimination over cake. There are lots of forms of discrimination and not all should be illegal. The ones we must protect against are those that infringe upon rights. And one has no right to somebody's cake.
    So out of curiosity, do you think it should be legal for a shop to not sell their merchandise to a customer because they are black?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    A piece of pie in a restaurant is not cake either. Pie isnt a right, is it? But it is a parallel claim of discrimination.

    Denying Jews entrance to the beach on a private lake isnt a piece of cake either. Swimming isnt a right, is it? But it is a parallel claim of discrimination.

    Denying a woman a job welding in a private company isnt a piece of cake either. Welding isnt a right. But it is a parallel claim of discrimination.
    Private land can bar entry of others along any basis. Country clubs have been notorious for their discrimination. Private clubs discriminate membership as well. Not sure if you thought you had a point or not with this argument, but it's moot.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    What if a privately owned utility decide not to serve select people?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Any business that opens to the public is a public business, not a private one. If they don't want to abide by public policy then don't open a business to the public. Pretty simple.
    Who pays property taxes? Are they funded with public money? If no, then it's private. Just because you want access to other people's property doesn't make it public property.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Private land can bar entry of others along any basis. Country clubs have been notorious for their discrimination. Private clubs discriminate membership as well. Not sure if you thought you had a point or not with this argument, but it's moot.
    Country Clubs are not open to the public to begin with.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Country Clubs are not open to the public to begin with.
    Yes, I did say private.

    But OK, so if the Bakery instead had membership and only members would be serviced, then game on?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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