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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The pics were Vesper's. Apparently you were being scolded for responding to the pics she posted, since in the new version you werent the one that posted them.
    yes that is what happened in that post and that is the back pedal you witnessed, i get it now.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    still nothing huh just more failed insults. PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC.
    I'm insulting you??? You are the one who repeats the word "lies" rather than responding directly to a post.

    this is the lie you posted to refresh your memory. we are waiting for you to back this lie up and quote me saying "this is about the blacks in the 50s"? let us know when you can and when you have ANYTHING ON TOPIC to back up your posts.
    That's the big lie, is it?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    1.)I'm insulting you???
    2.) You are the one who repeats the word "lies" rather than responding directly to a post.
    3.)That's the big lie, is it?
    1.) nope thats why they are failed insults
    2.) i did respond directly and you have in fact posted lies, thats true
    3.) big? no, the only one? no but yes thats the current and factual lie we are talking about

    so again when you want to stay on topic, stop trying to deflect and make me the topic and you can simply post any facts that support your false claims let us know
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) nope thats why they are failed insults
    2.) i did respond directly and you have in fact posted lies, thats true
    3.) big? no, the only one? no but yes thats the current and factual lie we are talking about

    so again when you want to stay on topic, stop trying to deflect and make me the topic and you can simply post any facts that support your false claims let us know
    Was my lie "So the photos of restaurants in the 50's are FACTS relating to the FACTS in this case? This is getting quite strange!"?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Was my lie "So the photos of restaurants in the 50's are FACTS relating to the FACTS in this case? This is getting quite strange!"?
    see above, your question was already answered
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    see above, your question was already answered
    Are you making the claim that a question is a lie???

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you making the claim that a question is a lie???
    nope never made that claim at all
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope never made that claim at all
    Then where is the lie? You really don't have anything at all, right?

    Why not make your apologies now?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    1.)Then where is the lie? You really don't have anything at all, right?
    2.)Why not make your apologies now?
    1.) already answered this in post 1503 and you already acknowledged the lie in your previous post before that
    2.) i never apologize for posting facts, pointing out lies and destroying failed posts

    do you have ANYTHING ON TOPIC or are you gonna continue trying to discuss me?
    do you have any facts that support your failed posts? any?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Actually, I don't think you understand the issue... its not a black v white discrimination; it was an offense to the shop owners moral sensibilities, similar to abortion.

    Now, I certainly appreciate the civil law aspect to this. It is, in fact, a civil law conflict with moral law. What is somewhat reprehensible are posters that do not understand this. It is nothing at all like discrimination based upon race, color, creed, sex or national origin. It is a discrimination based upon a criteria that mainstream religions find morally wrong.

    This was not a simple sale of goods. It was a matter of specific artistic performance; they asked the baker to apply his artistic skills to create something to celebrate something he found abhorrent. Its not that he found this abhorrent because of some sort of unsubstantiated personal bigotry, but because of a moral conviction based upon the Bible, a book a significant group of American's believe is the moral law (and many believe trumps civil law).

    The closest controversy we have to this is abortion. The only thing wrong with my abortion analogy, however, is that abortion doctors chose to be in the profession. That said, there are OB/GYN's that will not perform abortions under any circumstance based upon moral conviction.

    I can appreciate the civil side of this argument. The intellectually honest need to appreciate the moral side of this as well. It is an interesting case.
    There was a time where a number of mainstream religions found inter-racial marriage to be morally wrong. In fact there was a time where many religions refused admission to blacks because they found them to be "morally reprehensible". You are the one mischaracterizing the issue. It is absolutely akin to discrimination based upon race color, creed, sex or national origin. Just because the bigots here want to hide behind their religion and claim so special privilege to discriminate does not change the fact that it is discrimination based on bigotry. Bigotry in the name of religion is still bigotry.

    Your abortion analogy is completely baseless. They were not asking this baker to perform any service that he didn't offer to other groups. Its not like asking a heart surgeon to perform an abortion.

    The bottom line is, hiding behind your religion is no different than white only restaurant owners hiding behind their "moral convictions". They both found the groups that they didn't want to serve "icky". That is not basis to discriminate under our laws.
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