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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    No. I am not.


    Judicial tyranny has nearly replaced popular sovereignty since the end of the Second World War. The idea that we are actually here discussing a case in which a man has been compelled by legal despotism to support what almost everyone alive in the world today and who has ever lived since the domestication of fire has seen a gross perversion is clear evidence.

    Similar examples abound. We could all save ourselves a lot of time and stress by simply demanding that the government proclaim itself an imperial oligarchy.

    Out of respect the the millions dead who were sacrificed over the last couple of millennia in order that the current generation could have liberty and rule of law to cast aside like trash, I feel an obligation to point out what's happening here, that I might go to my grave with a clear conscience in this matter.

    As for crossing "that bridge when we come to it," I'd imagine that in the late century, many a calm, intelligent soul gave that advice before the tanks crossed the border, the incendiary bombs fell, the neighbors were rounded up and taken away in cattle cars, the soldiers opened fire on the peaceful protestors, the gas chambers were revealed, the nightclubs burnt or the revolution came.



    If you think that you can cross that bridge before we come to it , get after it.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post



    If you think that you can cross that bridge before we come to it , get after it.
    The bridge exists only in your imagination. You aren't facing a river. You're facing people who will gladly sacrifice our society and representative rule in the pursuit of a childish demand for the approval of the majority, and the fact that so many people are too innervated to oppose them. Oh well. It's an old, old story.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Businesses that hold out to the public don't have the same rights as a private individual. Sorry this bothers you.
    Does this mean its now illegal to kick me out because I carry a gun?

    #protectedrights

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    The bridge exists only in your imagination. You aren't facing a river. You're facing people who will gladly sacrifice our society and representative rule in the pursuit of a childish demand for the approval of the majority, and the fact that so many people are too innervated to oppose them. Oh well. It's an old, old story.



    Believe whatever you want to believe.

    The end of this story has already been written and you are not going to change it.


    Wait and see.




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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Believe whatever you want to believe.

    The end of this story has already been written and you are not going to change it.


    Wait and see.




    "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
    Oh really? And what makes you think the story ever ends? More vital and aggressive societies displace more enfeebled and debauched ones with great frequency in the historical record. Read up sometime on how often that's happened in the last couple of thousand years in Britain alone.

    "The end of this story has already been written," such glorious, conceit! It rather reminds me of the phrase "Thousand Year Reich," or national anthems with the word "forever" in them. No, a society, I'm sorry to have to inform you, that willingly sells its grandchildren into virtual slavery, and surrenders its freedom and social norms to the opinions of seedy characters in archaic robes isn't going to be around for any "end of the story."

    The Romans surrendered their republic to short term popular expediency. So did the Germans in the 1930's. The French did so, at least twice. The Chinese have done so. The Russians did so in 1917 through 1918, and they might be doing so again now. No, the current perverse judicial silliness isn't the "end of the story." It isn't even a chapter in a story. It's a refrain in a bad song that is too popular to stop singing.
    Quod scripsi, scripsi

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Read the 1964Civil Rights Act which outlawed discrimination against Blacks and other people in the USA.

    If you sell to other people, you have to sell to me and anyone else who comes along whether you like my race, my religion, my sexual preference or anything else about me.
    Homosexuals are not a protected class under Federal Law:

    In United States Federal anti-discrimination law, a protected class is a characteristic of a person which cannot be targeted for discrimination.[1] The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" by Federal law:

    • Race Civil Rights Act of 1964
    • Color Civil Rights Act of 1964
    • Religion Civil Rights Act of 1964
    • National origin Civil Rights Act of 1964
    • Age (40 and over) Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
    • Sex Equal Pay Act of 1963 and Civil Rights Act of 1964
    • Pregnancy Pregnancy Discrimination Act
    • Citizenship Immigration Reform and Control Act
    • Familial status Civil Rights Act of 1968 Title VIII: Housing cannot discriminate for having children, with an exception for senior housing
    • Disability status Vocational Rehabilitation and Other Rehabilitation Services of 1973 and Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
    • Veteran status Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 and Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act
    • Genetic information Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
    • Individual states can and do create other protected classes, which are protected under that state's law.
    Protected class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Colorado has a state law that prohibits discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation.

    In my opinion, (what do I know?) not wanting to supply a wedding cake to a homosexual couple getting married is not discrimination based on sexual orientation. *shrug* It's a discrimination against gay marriage. I think there's a fine line here that could easily be challenged.

    If a gay couple came into my bakery and began picking their noses -- and I asked them to leave -- am I discriminating against them because they're gay? Or because they're picking their noses?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Show me in the Constitution where it says a baker must be forced to bake a wedding cake for a homosexual couple... show me. Now, I can show you where all of us have, as you specifically stated, an ABSOLUTE right to their own religions beliefs... that is ABSOLUTE...which is defined by Merriam Webster as: complete and total : not limited in any way : having unlimited power...
    Ever heard of the Equal Protection Clause? You might want to read it sometime.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Show me in the Constitution where it says a baker must be forced to bake a wedding cake for a homosexual couple... show me. Now, I can show you where all of us have, as you specifically stated, an ABSOLUTE right to their own religions beliefs... that is ABSOLUTE...which is defined by Merriam Webster as: complete and total : not limited in any way : having unlimited power...
    BTW....you do have an ABSOLUTE right to your own religious beliefs. You can believe any which way you want. What you are NOT allowed to do is hide behind your religion to use it as a shield to impose your bigoted views on others. Sorry. The Constitution does not allow that....which is exactly why this judge ruled the way he did....and why courts in the past ruled that you cannot use your own morals to refuse to serve blacks at lunch counters....etc.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think Jesus wouldn't support people living in sin. He was kind to the woman who was sleeping around, but he did tell her to go and sin no more.

    Also, sexuality and what someone is sexually aroused by is not the same as race nor should they be compared or equated. The baker did not want to make a cake that would be used in the promotion of something he believed was sinful (gay sex/relationships). His beliefs and business should be respected. Going into someone's private business and demanding that they, as an individual, provide a service for you that violates the person's beliefs is bullying and that is bigotry. They aren't tolerant of the baker's beliefs and want to force him to provide them with a service to go against his morals and do something that he believes may be a promotion of what is morally wrong.
    So you have no problem with a private businesses refusing service to anyone who violates their personal beliefs. You obviously believe it was "Bullying" to force which restaurant owners to serve blacks at their lunch counters...since it "violated their moral beliefs". Digs....you can't have it both ways. Bigotry is bigotry is bigotry....and thankfully this Court stood up and said that Bigotry is no longer tolerated in America.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    People generally ought to have the right to refuse to do business with anyone, for whatever reason they choose with no obligation to disclose their reasoning, and the government should have no say in the matter whatsoever. If we are free, then we should have the right to discriminate for such reasons as seem good to us in our private and business matters.

    A case could be made I suppose for greater restrictions on the actions of incorporated businesses, which require a charter.

    But a privately run bakery should definitely have the right to refuse to engage in a transaction with people that they deem to be perverts. And no one else should have any say other than whether or not they wish to do business with them in future.

    We're free or we aren't. Leftists of course, are contemptuous of actual freedom for people that they adjudge to be serfs at best. A category that most people naturally fall into.

    So in other words, you are fine with white restaurant owners refusing to serve blacks, you are fine with "White only" drinking fountains and having certain areas of theaters where people of color are allowed to sit and where they aren't allowed. Gotcha. Sorry...but that isn't America, my friend.
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