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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Although that's widely-held to be a basic right, I don't think it's explicitly mentioned anywhere in the Constitution. At best, it is loosely implied from the First Amendment right to peaceably assemble, and held to be among the unnamed rights covered by the Ninth Amendment.
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    While the United States Constitution's First Amendment identifies the rights to assemble and to petition the government, the text of the First Amendment does not make specific mention of a right to association. Nevertheless, the United States Supreme Court held in NAACP v. Alabama that the freedom of association is an essential part of the Freedom of Speech because, in many cases, people can engage in effective speech only when they join with others.[4]


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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Perhaps there's another point to be made here, as well.

    1.) If I walk into a Kashrut or Halal butcher shop, and ask for pork chops, would the proprietor be illegally discriminating against me by not offering them for sale? He's not telling me I can't eat pork; just that if I want pork, I'm going to have to buy it somewhere else.

    2.) What if I have some odd religious belief that requires me to eat pork? Would a Kashrut or Halal butcher be violating my religious rights by refusing to sell me pork?

    3.) What if I bring a pig into such a shop, and want it butchered for me? If the butcher will butcher a cow, is he required to butcher a pig as well?


    4.) It would be one thing for me to walk into a shop seeking to buy a product that is there being offered for sale, and have the proprietor refuse to sell it to me because he disapproves of my race, my religion, my political beliefs, or whatever.

    5.) I think it is an entirely different thing altogether for a proprietor to refuse to produce a custom product or service, where that product or service itself violates his sincerely-held beliefs and morals.

    6.)It doesn't even have to be religious-based.

    7.) Should a conservative print shop owner be compelled to print up posters for a liberal cause that he opposes?
    1.) does he have pork for sale? what is the reason he refuses to sell it to you? he must follow the law

    2.) see 1#

    3.) see the ;ast part 2 parts of #1

    4.) correct and thats whats happening here its discrimination based on sexual orientation which is illegal

    5.) well this fallacy simply isnt true

    6.) the law must be followed

    7.) see #6
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    But, I'm fairly sure that most people like it or not find the idea of homosexuality more objectionable than porn. (Think of how much quicker one would find themselves all alone at the company picnic for telling homosexual dirty jokes versus heterosexual dirty jokes.) And this dictatorial judge wants to force the baker to make a wedding cake celebrating something he finds revolting and obscene. I still think that under this precedent if any couple wanted a porn themed wedding, the despotic state would have to force him to create confectionery genitalia to adorn the cake. It's all really serfdom shading to slavery by other means and names.
    It's also a reverse-violation of the freedom of expression (more explicitly named as freedom of speech and freedom of the press, but by popular interpretation and common sense, extended really to nearly all means of communication or expression).

    A right to express what one believes would seem—at least—to include a right not to be forced to express what one does not believe.

    To be forced to create a work—be it a cake, a flower arrangement, a document, or any other decoration—that expresses support for and participation in an immoral homosexual mockery of a wedding is certainly a violation of the right of someone who does not consent to express such support or participation.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It's also a reverse-violation of the freedom of expression (more explicitly named as freedom of speech and freedom of the press, but by popular interpretation and common sense, extended really to nearly all means of communication or expression).

    A right to express what one believes would seem—at least—to include a right not to be forced to express what one does not believe.

    To be forced to create a work—be it a cake, a flower arrangement, a document, or any other decoration—that expresses support for and participation in an immoral homosexual mockery of a wedding is certainly a violation of the right of someone who does not consent to express such support or participation.
    more fallacy that factually isnt happening
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    I wasn't questioning legality, but the basis of your quote.
    No new rights magically came into existence in1964.



    That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, and which I will ignore.

    Before the 1964 Civil Rights Act was enacted, all over the USA millions of Black citizens were denied service at many locations.

    Maybe you are not aware of that.

    I know about it because I lived through it .

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Basically, you're making a religion out of the 1964 Civil Rights. Bigotry is a free choice. You might mistakenly believe that attempting to control how people express their bigotry somehow magically makes it go away, but it does not.

    But here, try this experiment. See if you can get your elected officials to denounce the Islamic dictates which command a war of extermination against Jews and pagans, and the subjugation or death of everyone else who isn't a Muslim. Or better still, why not make up an adorable little placard with such a denunciation and parade up and down in front of your local Mosque some Friday afternoon, then report on how the police and government supported you right to do that. *snicker*

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    he lesson for those who don't want to be compelled by the State to support perversions such as same same "marriage," is to defy them, the way we used to with bullies in general.



    If you want to try to defy the 1964 Civil Rights Act, get after it.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no the precedent doesnt lend to that in anyway what so ever, porn is not sexual orientation nor does it have antyhign to so with illegal discrimination and equal rights
    As so often the case with similar topics the point here is missed. It matters not an atom what you or I think about what constitutes sexual orientation or pornography, or rights, or discrimination. It matters solely what an individual in the form of one judge or anther thinks at a given moment. A few years ago, scarcely a judge anywhere in the country would have entertained a case like this. Law didn't change, political fashion did. And tomorrow, it might change in a way that you don't like at all, and you'll be just as powerless as the baker.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    more fallacy that factually isnt happening
    Obviously, it is. Please refer to the original post for a clear example.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    As so often the case with similar topics the point here is missed. It matters not an atom what you or I think about what constitutes sexual orientation or pornography, or rights, or discrimination. It matters solely what an individual in the form of one judge or anther thinks at a given moment. A few years ago, scarcely a judge anywhere in the country would have entertained a case like this. Law didn't change, political fashion did. And tomorrow, it might change in a way that you don't like at all, and you'll be just as powerless as the baker.



    We'll cross that bridge when and if we come to it.

    Are you down with that idea?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We'll cross that bridge when and if we come to it.

    Are you down with that idea?
    No. I am not.

    Judicial tyranny has nearly replaced popular sovereignty since the end of the Second World War. The idea that we are actually here discussing a case in which a man has been compelled by legal despotism to support what almost everyone alive in the world today and who has ever lived since the domestication of fire has seen a gross perversion is clear evidence.

    Similar examples abound. We could all save ourselves a lot of time and stress by simply demanding that the government proclaim itself an imperial oligarchy.

    Out of respect the the millions dead who were sacrificed over the last couple of millennia in order that the current generation could have liberty and rule of law to cast aside like trash, I feel an obligation to point out what's happening here, that I might go to my grave with a clear conscience in this matter.

    As for crossing "that bridge when we come to it," I'd imagine that in the late century, many a calm, intelligent soul gave that advice before the tanks crossed the border, the incendiary bombs fell, the neighbors were rounded up and taken away in cattle cars, the soldiers opened fire on the peaceful protestors, the gas chambers were revealed, the nightclubs burnt or the revolution came.
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