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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's about discrimination over cake. Someone had cake, someone else wanted to buy it, the first person said no, the second person took it to court. Nothing you say will change the fact.
    It is discrimination. What they are discriminating for is irrelevant.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh puh-lease....you act as if every time you get a ticket, there is a cop standing there ready to pull a gun and blow your head off. That is just plain silly. Rarely does government regulation ever require force to be imposed. It is absolute paranoia to live thinking that the government is ready to come with their guns and get you if you break a rule.
    They are in fact. Should I make any move they don't like, they will shoot me. Cops shoot lots of people who don't comply. Duh. All government regulation is force. Try not complying, let me know what happens.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    In the case of the baker in Colorado, the judge denied the baker his constitutional rights in regard to property and the Free Exercise clause which prohibits the government from interfering with a person's practice of his or her religion. Discrimination laws are important but when one violates the constitutional rights of another they are unlawful. If you are going to talk equality sir, then you must also apply it to all having equal treatment under the law. The First Amendment clearly comes into play in this case raising the question of whether an artist or craftsman can be compelled by the government to create objects against his or her wishes. The saddest part of this case is the judge's ruling citing "hurt feelings to others" as a reason to trump a business owner's right to property and right to practice his religious beliefs. Sir, there is a reason why legal experts agree these types of cases are headed to the Supreme Court because when a discrimination law results in discrimination of others it's bad law.
    That's probably what the owners of the lunch counters said, too. Discrimination laws were discriminating against those poor people who wished only the right to deny service to black people for being black. Religious practices are protected... but you can't break the law citing religious practice. You can't say "of course I killed that guy, my religion teaches me that I must sacrifice a virgin to Cthulu every few weeks."
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncensored2008 View Post
    1.)You're a shrill little one, aren't you? Lacking logic and reason, you shriek LAIR (USMB joke..)
    2.)The ruling yes, the DailyKOS and ThinkProgress talking points, no.
    But then, I have you and Disneydude to faithfully recite those...
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    {Judge Spencer said Phillips did not demonstrate that his free speech rights had been violated and he said there’s no evidence that forcing him to make a cake for a same-sex ceremony would hurt his business.}

    Judge orders baker to serve gay couples despite his religious beliefs | Fox News

    4.)Tell us about lying again?
    1.) so instead of posting any facts to support your failed claims you go off topic, become uncivl and post failed insult. oh well
    let me know when you want to stay on topic and have and facts that support you
    2.) and yet the rulign still factually proves you wrong
    3.) thank you for posting that, theres NOTHING in there that says the judge forced him to make a cake, in fact the judge did not do that, he only stated that the owner making cakes for a gay wedding would not hurt his business. You should read it again. Thank you for proving yourself wrong
    4.) yes you posted a lie as you just proved, thanks

    facts defeat your post again
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is discrimination. What they are discriminating for is irrelevant.
    What they discriminate over is certainly relevant as it relates to rights violations. As I said, there are forms of force by the individual that are justly countered with the force of government, but it's not blanket. It's relating to our base rights, and cake is not a base right.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Just because a business opened in 1995 does not mean that the only laws which apply when evaluating the legality of its operation in 2013 are those which existed in 1995. The act in question occurred in 2012; four years after the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act was amended to include sexual orientation.
    Not the point.

    The straw man Disneydude was erecting was based on the idea the Baker agreed to serve homosexuals buy opening a business. It's an absurd claim on it's face. but even IF we were to accept it, the ex post facto provision would render the argument null.

    If you cling to the Constitution then you should recognize both the authority and obligation of the State to uphold the Fourteenth Amendment by creating and enforcing anti-discrimination law.
    You must have a unique 14th amendment.


    Mine reads;

    {

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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    Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]
    }

    Not a word about bakers being forced to sell cakes to homosexuals.

    The Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act.
    And that trumps the 13th Amendment? Damn...

    A business license is a contract with the State.
    Bunk.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by ikari View Post
    they are in fact. Should i make any move they don't like, they will shoot me. Cops shoot lots of people who don't comply. Duh. All government regulation is force. Try not complying, let me know what happens.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What they discriminate over is certainly relevant as it relates to rights violations. As I said, there are forms of force by the individual that are justly countered with the force of government, but it's not blanket. It's relating to our base rights, and cake is not a base right.
    If it applies to drinking fountains and restaurants then it applies to cake...
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
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    Run the experiment DD. Go out and don't comply with the government, keep it up and resist as much as possible. Let me know what happens. I'll be waiting.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In some amount of hive mentality perhaps. But the individual has perhaps great ability to affect us locally, but reduced ability to do so globally.

    But quite honestly, environmental laws are completely different from this current topic.
    Individually, we are local, not global.

    Environmental laws where brought up simply to refute your blanket statement.
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