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Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647]

Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Oh really....blacks just need to "grow up" and accept the bigotry of the white restaurant owner who refuses to serve them because of the color of their skin? Sorry...but that is not acceptable in America...and if the bigots don't want to comply with the law...then the answer is simple, don't open a restaurant. Period.

there goes that lying again, I am done since all you do is try to inject color when no one is mentioning but you. Have fun with your new Sharpton playbook
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Oh really....blacks just need to "grow up" and accept the bigotry of the white restaurant owner who refuses to serve them because of the color of their skin? Sorry...but that is not acceptable in America...and if the bigots don't want to comply with the law...then the answer is simple, don't open a restaurant. Period.

What is not acceptable in America is your thought control brought by government force against the individual.
 
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there goes that lying again, I am done since all you do is try to inject color when no one is mentioning but you. Have fun with your new Sharpton playbook

Oh puh-lease. So..what are you saying, that you are only are a cafeteria bigot? That same concepts apply whether we are talking race, ethnicty, gender or sexual orientation. The fact that you only want to apply it to some speaks volumes about your motivations here.
 
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What is not acceptable in America is your thought control brought by government force against the individual.

Not thought control involved here. You are free to have whatever bigoted thoughts you want. The only governmental action involved here is saying that you are not free to impose those bigoted thoughts on the community. Sorry.
 
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Not thought control involved here. You are free to have whatever bigoted thoughts you want. The only governmental action involved here is saying that you are not free to impose those bigoted thoughts on the community. Sorry.

Government force against individual's property and labor; that's what you're doing. You could at least be honest enough to admit it.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Government force against individual's property and labor; that's what you're doing. You could at least be honest enough to admit it.
Nope. Sorry. There is no big bad Government force here, no more that any other law such as obeying traffic signals...but of course in your world, if you don't do it, the big bad government is going to pull out their big bad guns.
 
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Nope. Sorry. There is no big bad Government force here, no more that any other law such as obeying traffic signals...but of course in your world, if you don't do it, the big bad government is going to pull out their big bad guns.

It is government force obviously. Left to their own, they would be able to refuse service of their own goods and labor. It takes government force to correct that. Don't lie about what you're calling for, you have to understand the system you call forth if you want to intelligently argue for it.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

It is government force obviously. Left to their own, they would be able to refuse service of their own goods and labor. It takes government force to correct that. Don't lie about what you're calling for, you have to understand the system you call forth if you want to intelligently argue for it.
No more "force" is involved than requiring people to obey a stop sign...and most people don't run around worrying that if they run a stop sign, the government is going to come blazing after them with their guns drawn.
 
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No more "force" is involved than requiring people to obey a stop sign...and most people don't run around worrying that if they run a stop sign, the government is going to come blazing after them with their guns drawn.

So if the business owner disobeys the law? Then what?
 
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No more "force" is involved than requiring people to obey a stop sign...and most people don't run around worrying that if they run a stop sign, the government is going to come blazing after them with their guns drawn.

The government will come blazing after you if you run a stop sign.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

No more "force" is involved than requiring people to obey a stop sign...and most people don't run around worrying that if they run a stop sign, the government is going to come blazing after them with their guns drawn.

It's all force against free exercise. Not all force is unwarranted, but don't kid yourself. Everything is backed by the government, defy it and see where it gets you. Since you want to infringe upon the rights of property and labor with the use of government force, you must prove that the use of it is just and within the boundaries of proper government function.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

So if the business owner disobeys the law? Then what?

Good luck trying that road. DD does not acknowledge that government force is ultimately backed by its guns.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

The government will come blazing after you if you run a stop sign.
They will give you a ticket....they aren't going to put a gun to your head.....geesh!
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

They will give you a ticket....they aren't going to put a gun to your head.....geesh!

And if i dont pay the ticket they will kidnap me. If i refuse to be kidnapped they will put a gun to my head
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

And if i dont pay the ticket they will kidnap me. If i refuse to be kidnapped they will put a gun to my head

Being arrested for committing a crime isn't kidnapping. Not even libertarians think you should be able to commit crimes. You're an anarchist.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

The ruling in is. Chalk another one up for the good guys
Colorado judge: Bakery owner discriminated against gay couple - Washington TimesA Colorado judge ruled Friday against a bakery owner who refused to prepare a cake for a gay couple’s wedding reception.

Administrative Law Judge Robert N. Spencer ordered Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, to “cease and desist from discriminating against complainants and other same-sex couples by refusing to sell them wedding cakes or any other product [he] would provide to heterosexual couples.”


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Another ruling that bigotry will no longer be tolerated in America. If this baker is truly concerned about his religious beliefs....perhaps he should start by trying to be more "Christ-like" and try living the principles that Jesus Christ taught.

People (or in this case business owners in the PRIVATE SECTOR) can do whatever the hell they want - it's their First Amendment Right..

You cant force someone to bake you a cake, and their reason for not backing you a cake is irrelevant...

What if I owned a bakery a refused to bake you a cake just because I didn't like you?

You can't force a business to do business..

Businesses have the right to turn away anyone they want - a perfect example of that is "no shoes, no shirt, no service."

It's not a win for the "good guys" - it's a win for the authoritarian tyrants - that are no better or any less fascist than Hitler.

Tolerance is a 2-way street, you have to respect the intolerant to be tolerant...

The best part is that when it comes to Muslims progressives fully understand and respect the fact that they abuse woman, don't want to deal with gays or even touch pork products - yet Christians are intolerant devils in their mind because they refuse to bake a flippin cake and want nothing to do with a gay wedding.... The contradictions there are astounding...

This is about as contradicting as the "black/white santa controversy."
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

People (or in this case business owners in the PRIVATE SECTOR) can do whatever the hell they want - it's their First Amendment Right..

You cant force someone to bake you a cake, and their reason for not backing you a cake is irrelevant...

What if I owned a bakery a refused to bake you a cake just because I didn't like you?

You can't force a business to do business..

Businesses have the right to turn away anyone they want - a perfect example of that is "no shoes, no shirt, no service."

It's not a win for the "good guys" - it's a win for the authoritarian tyrants - that are no better or any less fascist than Hitler.

Tolerance is a 2-way street, you have to respect the intolerant to be tolerant...

The best part is that when it comes to Muslims progressives fully understand and respect the fact that they abuse woman, don't want to deal with gays or even touch pork products - yet Christians are intolerant devils in their mind because they refuse to bake a flippin cake and want nothing to do with a gay wedding.... The contradictions there are astounding...

This is about as contradicting as the "black/white santa controversy."

Sorry, but you are wrong. You may have a first amendment right to be a bigot in your speech, but that does not extend to actions that violate the Constitution by discriminating against someone because you don't like the color of their skin or their gender or their sexual orientation.

BTW your analogy is just plain silly. A Muslim butcher shop doesn't have to carry pork products. A better analogy to what you were trying to say would be if a Muslim butcher refused service to a Christian simply because they were Christian. That would violate the law in the same way this bigoted baker did.
 
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And if i dont pay the ticket they will kidnap me. If i refuse to be kidnapped they will put a gun to my head

Wow....can you say paranoia?
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Sorry, but you are wrong. You may have a first amendment right to be a bigot in your speech, but that does not extend to actions that violate the Constitution by discriminating against someone because you don't like the color of their skin or their gender or their sexual orientation.

BTW your analogy is just plain silly. A Muslim butcher shop doesn't have to carry pork products. A better analogy to what you were trying to say would be if a Muslim butcher refused service to a Christian simply because they were Christian. That would violate the law in the same way this bigoted baker did.

Bigot??

I love how you don't acknowledge the entire First Amendment....

Also, the reason why someone doesn't want to serve you is irrelevant.

Sorry, one reason is not better than the other.

See, If I was this bakery I wouldn't have even given a reason - I would have just said: "I don't want to"....

Funny how it's perfectly fine NOT to serve someone who is half naked and not wearing any shoes and THAT isn't discrimination, yet refusing service to a gay is?

It seems progressives only have tolerance for certain types of discrimination - not discrimination..

And people wonder why I call progressives fascists? well making exceptions to your own damn personal policies generally paints you in that light.
 
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Bigot??

I love how you don't acknowledge the entire First Amendment....

Also, the reason why someone doesn't want to serve you is irrelevant.

Sorry, one reason is not better than the other.

See, If I was this bakery I wouldn't have even given a reason - I would have just said: "I don't want to"....

Funny how it's perfectly fine NOT to serve someone who is half naked and not wearing any shoes and THAT isn't discrimination, yet refusing service to a gay is?

It seems progressives only have tolerance for certain types of discrimination - not discrimination..

And people wonder why I call progressives fascists? well making exceptions to your own damn personal policies generally paints you in that light.

There are health department rules requiring shirt/shoes. There is no such anti-gay health department rules. Sorry....try again.
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

There are health department rules requiring shirt/shoes. There is no such anti-gay health department rules. Sorry....try again.

It has nothing to do with the health department and everything to do with liability - like someone wearing no shoes stepping on glass. Not wearing a shirt is socially not acceptable if you're in a store..

The best part is that those ideas are just store policy.

You try again...
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Being arrested for committing a crime isn't kidnapping. Not even libertarians think you should be able to commit crimes. You're an anarchist.

Depends on what you define as a crime. Im not arguing that people should be able to run stop signs, just pointing out the aspect of force
 
Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

Sorry, but you are wrong. You may have a first amendment right to be a bigot in your speech, but that does not extend to actions that violate the Constitution by discriminating against someone because you don't like the color of their skin or their gender or their sexual orientation.

That's not in the constitution. You don't have right to another man's property or labor.
 
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