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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What rights? When did cake become a right?
    When they opened their doors to the public. They don't have a right to refuse service to people just because they think they are "icky".
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    I honestly don't know. I think that a private business should be able to reserve the right to refuse customers. It is privately owner right?

    It doesn't mean the owner isn't a bigoted ass and is in the wrong. And yes I am a souther white conservative Christian who disagrees with the bakery owner. But I don't know if I like the idea of the government saying, "you can only refuse who we say you can refuse."

    I agree with whoever said this is a "hollow victory." It condemns our rights a little more, even though it does benefit a certain group in society.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    I would think they would be required to serve the gay couple but they would not be required to make the cake any differently thus it would still have a bride and groom on the top of it. Just like they don't use black bride and grooms for black wedding cakes.

    1. Various wedding cake "toppers" have been available for a long, long time. Ethnic couples do not have to have "white" toppers on their wedding cakes.


    2. Who in the hell would order a black wedding cake. Weddings are supposed to be festive not depressing. A black cake at a funeral? OK, I can understand that but unless you are having a Zombie themed wedding (don't laugh, watch the SyFy episode for Naked Vegas), a black cake makes no sense.



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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I honestly don't know. I think that a private business should be able to reserve the right to refuse customers. It is privately owner right?

    It doesn't mean the owner isn't a bigoted ass and is in the wrong. And yes I am a souther white conservative Christian who disagrees with the bakery owner. But I don't know if I like the idea of the government saying, "you can only refuse who we say you can refuse."

    I agree with whoever said this is a "hollow victory." It condemns our rights a little more, even though it does benefit a certain group in society.
    It doesn't "Codemn" our rights at all. There is no "natural" or Constitutional right to engage in discrimination. Period.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It doesn't "Codemn" our rights at all. There is no "natural" or Constitutional right to engage in discrimination. Period.
    Of course there is a right to discriminate. People do it all the time, most of all liberals. They discriminate against conservatives, against Christians and other religious people and so on. Against anyone they don't agree with, actually. Actors in Hollywood often talk about being discriminated against if they are politically conservative.

    Certain groups, though, have these special protections. Call them exceptions to the rule. Group rights have come to trump individual rights, and nothing could be more un-American than that. It just depends on which groups have the political clout.

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    You people are the ones who claim they are born that way. So are Pedophiles. Thus they are the same. Through no fault of their own they were born that way. Thus they are genetic abnormalities or they wouldn't of been born that way.
    translation: so you have no facts to support your statement then? thats what i thought but when you do let us know.
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What rights? When did cake become a right?
    never said it was
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It doesn't "Codemn" our rights at all. There is no "natural" or Constitutional right to engage in discrimination. Period.
    Where was the discrimination?

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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:113:123:292:647

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Of course there is a right to discriminate. People do it all the time, most of all liberals. They discriminate against conservatives, against Christians and other religious people and so on. Against anyone they don't agree with, actually. Actors in Hollywood often talk about being discriminated against if they are politically conservative.

    Certain groups, though, have these special protections. Call them exceptions to the rule. Group rights have come to trump individual rights, and nothing could be more un-American than that. It just depends on which groups have the political clout.

    During the Dark Ages when absolute monarchy was the rule even a cat could gaze upon a king, but these days one cannot even speak ill of certain groups regardless how justified.
    You are going to base your argument on the assertions of a couple of washed up actors that want to claim "persecution" because they aren't getting roles? Wow...too funny.


    How exactly do liberals discriminate against conservatives, Christians and whatever other groups you wanna throw in there?
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    Re: Colorado Judge: Bakery Owner discriminated against gay couple [W:123]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    In the case of the baker in Colorado, the judge denied the baker his constitutional rights in regard to property and the Free Exercise clause which prohibits the government from interfering with a person's practice of his or her religion. Discrimination laws are important but when one violates the constitutional rights of another they are unlawful. If you are going to talk equality sir, then you must also apply it to all having equal treatment under the law. The First Amendment clearly comes into play in this case raising the question of whether an artist or craftsman can be compelled by the government to create objects against his or her wishes. The saddest part of this case is the judge's ruling citing "hurt feelings to others" as a reason to trump a business owner's right to property and right to practice his religious beliefs. Sir, there is a reason why legal experts agree these types of cases are headed to the Supreme Court because when a discrimination law results in discrimination of others it's bad law.
    already proven factualy wrong muiltiple times repeating it doesnt change this fact

    this criminal broke the law and was let of easy for the crime he committed
    Breaking the law was HIS choice and the dummy will know better next time

    the rights that were factually infringed on were fixed, justice was served and rights won.
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