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Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

My flag will fly for our military dead of Dec 7. Not an inch lower for Nelson Mandela.
 
Wonderful source you've found there!

Just looking around a little I found this:

The modus operandi of Jews among non-Jewish nations is always the same:
Loop begin
Infiltration, typically strictly deny any Jewish existence and their own Jewishness
Coming unpleasantly in sight due to usury, child murder, bad-mouthing about country and folk, culture distortion, creating artificial conflicts like "class-conflict" or "feminism", moving aliens into the country by "tolerance", etc...
Create revolutions, terror systems, "Bolshevism", mass murderer, mass rubbing-out, "inflation", etc...
Get rolled back, confined or expelled
Cry loudly because of "persecution", whine, blackmail using international "justice"
End of loop
Each Jewish holiday (and there are many) remembers a possibly different event somewhere in the above loop.​

Great pictures too!

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Jews - Metapedia

There are a lot of sources. Like this one better?

Remembering The Church Street Bombing-Pretoria
 
Umm.. he didn't free millions. It takes two to tango. de Klerk opposed Apartheid as well. It was de Klerk's Government approached Mandela about legalizing the ANC and releasing Mandela and how to do it. Then de Klerk turned around campaigned for lifting Apartheid in the South African vote. de Klerk didn't bitch and moan when he lost to Mandela in 1994 and faithfully served as deputy president under Mandela.

Mandela didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize by himself.. he won it with de Klerk.

The movement that required de Klerk to release Mandela in the first place to stop the protests and rebellion was the ANC and Mandela. He wouldn't have done it if everything was still peaceful in South Africa, or if he did much more slowly.
 
I am all for flying the flag at half mast for Mandela. He deserves it. Regardless of politics he was a great man and leader. A man of the ages. I respected the man and as far as I am concerned he deserves the honor. As I posted before on another thread, this old crusty retired Master Sergeant is giving him a slow hand salute. RIP.

Yes, but he's not an American or connected at all with America. So how are you okay with flying our flag at half mast for him. I get that you respect the man.
 
For your reading pleasure, maybe you will learn something.

"Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013) was a communist terrorist leader and former President of South Africa. He was imprisoned for some time for attempting to plant a bomb in a shopping center with the intent of killing men, women and children. He signed off on the Church Street bombing in 1983 which killed 19 people and maimed another 217."

Nelson Mandela - Metapedia

You believe metapedia for what reason? He would also have been arrested for charges he didn't afrter all it was Apartheid South Africa the justice system was not exactly fair.
 
Yes, but he's not an American or connected at all with America. So how are you okay with flying our flag at half mast for him. I get that you respect the man.

There is precedent for flying the flag at half-staff for foreign leaders and dignitaries. The last was Pope John Paul II in 2005.
 
There is precedent for flying the flag at half-staff for foreign leaders and dignitaries. The last was Pope John Paul II in 2005.

Was Lady Thatcher not a worthy dignitary?
 
There is pretty solid speculation those are extremely ginned-up charges.

You might want to try reading the court transcripts. Mandela aknowledged the bombings but denied any bombings of individual homes. That the bombings of homes were done by his fellow communist terrorist on their own.
 
There is precedent for flying the flag at half-staff for foreign leaders and dignitaries. The last was Pope John Paul II in 2005.

There are a huge number of Catholics in America, so there is an American connection at least. However, we should not have done that either. The POTUS can kiss my ass with his little nod to Mandela.

Btw:

In the United States, the President can issue an executive order for the flag of the United States to be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States government, and others, as a mark of respect to their memory. When such an order is issued, all government buildings, offices, public schools and military bases are to fly their flags at half-staff. Under federal law (4 U.S.C. § 7(f)), the flags of states, cities, localities, and pennants of societies, shall never be placed above the flag of the United States; thus, all other flags also fly at half-staff when the U.S. flag has been ordered to fly at half-staff. It is important to note that there is no penalty for failure to comply with the above law as to enforce such a law would violate the First Amendment.

Source
 
President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered flags to fly at half-staff at the White House and public buildings, with the US in mourning over the death of "close friend" and anti-apartheid hero Nelson Mandela.

It seems to me that a more fitting tribute to Mr. Mandela would be a stack of gasoline-soaked tires around each flagpole, set on fire.
 
Did you miss this post or just choose to ignore it?

Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013) was a communist terrorist leader and former President of South Africa. He was imprisoned for some time for attempting to plant a bomb in a shopping center with the intent of killing men, women and children. He signed off on the Church Street bombing in 1983 which killed 19 people and maimed another 217."

Nelson Mandela - Metapedia

You're source is Metapedia.

It's basically a white supremacist wiki.
 
You believe metapedia for what reason? He would also have been arrested for charges he didn't afrter all it was Apartheid South Africa the justice system was not exactly fair.

He himself admits he was responsible for many bombings in his own book. How's that for a source?

"In his book "Long Walk to Freedom", Nelson Mandela wrote that as a leading member of the ANC’s executive committee, he had “personally signed off” in approving these acts of terrorism,"

Remembering The Church Street Bombing-Pretoria
 
He himself admits he was responsible for many bombings in his own book. How's that for a source?

"In his book "Long Walk to Freedom", Nelson Mandela wrote that as a leading member of the ANC’s executive committee, he had “personally signed off” in approving these acts of terrorism,"

Remembering The Church Street Bombing-Pretoria

Mandela had nothing to do with that, he was in ****ing prison. Tell me when you find actual non-biased sources that is not far-right propaganda.
 
Apartheid rule ended before Mandela was released from Prison. It was South Africa's F.W. de Klerk who ended apartheid in South Africa.

Margaret Thatcher played a significat role with winning the Cold War and also led Great Britain to war against Argentina that resulted in a dictator losing his power.

As for President Obama ignoring the U.S. flag protocol and ordering the American flag to be flown at half mast for ten days, (No American soldier, Marine, sailor or airman received such honor and recognition for giving his life to country. Ten days !!!)

Just more evidence that Obama doesn't look at himself as an American but as an internationalist socialist, honoring another internationalist socialist / terrorist.

But Mandela was a close friend of Obama.
 
“Communists everywhere fight to destroy capitalist society and to replace it with Socialism, where the masses of the common people, irrespective of race or colour, will live in complete equality, freedom and happiness. They seek to revolutionise society and are thus called revolutionaries. Those who support capitalism with its class divisions and other evils and who oppose our just struggles to end oppression are called counter revolutionaries.” ~ Nelson Mandela

Source: HOW TO BE A GOOD COMMUNIST, by Nelson Mandela –


MANDELA THE MYTH

“No matter how many speeches are given or how many news articles are written, it is safe to bet that the full truth about Mandela will not be told except by those who know and care about history being recorded factually.

“In fact the truth about Mandela is so hidden in mythology and misinformation that most know nothing about him prior to Robben island, and those who do tend to exercise a form of self censorship, designed to bolster the myth whilst consigning uncomfortable facts into the mists of history.

“For most people all they know about Mandela, prior to his release in 1990, was that he had spent 27 years in prison and was considered by many on the left at the time (and almost everyone now) to be a political prisoner. However, Mandela was no Burmese Aung San Suu Kyi, he was not an innocent, democratically elected leader, imprisoned by an authoritarian government.

“Mandela was the terrorist leader of a violent terrorist organisation, the ANC (African National Congress) which was responsible for many thousands of, mostly black, deaths. The ANC’s blood spattered history is frequently ignored, but reminders occasionally pop up in the most embarrassing places, indeed as recently as this month the names of Nelson Mandela and most of the ANC remained on the US government’s terrorist watch list along with al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and the Tamil Tigers. Of course the forces of political correctness are rushing to amend that embarrassing reminder from the past. However, Mandela’s name was not on that list by mistake, he was there because of his murderous past.”

Nelson Mandela: The Man and the Myth | A. J. MacDonald, Jr.
 
Was Lady Thatcher not a worthy dignitary?

Maybe, I dunno. Wasn't my decision to make. Just pointing out that the "he's not an American" argument doesn't hold much water.
 
How many people did Maggie Thatcher free from apartheid?

The only reason to fly a flag at half staff is if that person freed people from Apartheid?

Is that in the law somewhere?
 
Communists.... He was one.

The economy of South Africa remained fairly free and he stepped aside after one term as President. He was a crappy Communist.
 
:roll:

You people and your "George Washington was a terrorist" inanity. It wasn't his responsibility to "stop them," nor did he have the authority to do so. (And besides, how do you know he never personally tried to intervene?)

George Washington also preached and practiced conciliation toward all in the new nation. He did not condone or encourage any such things as hangings or tarring/featherings.

If you want to argue that Mandela wasn't a terrorist, then do it. But all of this bringing up of the "Founding Fathers" is just rank ignorance and stupidity. No, a rebel is not automatically a "terrorist."

In this case

Mandela = Obama

Founding Fathers = Bush
 
“Communists everywhere fight to destroy capitalist society and to replace it with Socialism, where the masses of the common people, irrespective of race or colour, will live in complete equality, freedom and happiness. They seek to revolutionise society and are thus called revolutionaries. Those who support capitalism with its class divisions and other evils and who oppose our just struggles to end oppression are called counter revolutionaries.” ~ Nelson Mandela

Source: HOW TO BE A GOOD COMMUNIST, by Nelson Mandela –


MANDELA THE MYTH

“No matter how many speeches are given or how many news articles are written, it is safe to bet that the full truth about Mandela will not be told except by those who know and care about history being recorded factually.

“In fact the truth about Mandela is so hidden in mythology and misinformation that most know nothing about him prior to Robben island, and those who do tend to exercise a form of self censorship, designed to bolster the myth whilst consigning uncomfortable facts into the mists of history.

“For most people all they know about Mandela, prior to his release in 1990, was that he had spent 27 years in prison and was considered by many on the left at the time (and almost everyone now) to be a political prisoner. However, Mandela was no Burmese Aung San Suu Kyi, he was not an innocent, democratically elected leader, imprisoned by an authoritarian government.

“Mandela was the terrorist leader of a violent terrorist organisation, the ANC (African National Congress) which was responsible for many thousands of, mostly black, deaths. The ANC’s blood spattered history is frequently ignored, but reminders occasionally pop up in the most embarrassing places, indeed as recently as this month the names of Nelson Mandela and most of the ANC remained on the US government’s terrorist watch list along with al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and the Tamil Tigers. Of course the forces of political correctness are rushing to amend that embarrassing reminder from the past. However, Mandela’s name was not on that list by mistake, he was there because of his murderous past.”

Nelson Mandela: The Man and the Myth | A. J. MacDonald, Jr.


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Antipope Francis, the Apocalypse, the Beast, the Antichrist, and more… | A. J. MacDonald, Jr.

The Boston Bombing – A Staged Event? | A. J. MacDonald, Jr.

This is almost pitiful, really.
 
Maybe, I dunno. Wasn't my decision to make. Just pointing out that the "he's not an American" argument doesn't hold much water.

IMV, our Flag should not be lowered to half staff in deference to any foreign dignitary...
 
Yes, but he's not an American or connected at all with America. So how are you okay with flying our flag at half mast for him. I get that you respect the man.

I think it is the right thing to do. It is a way for our country to show its respect for the recently departed. It doesn't bother me whether he was an American or not. We have flown the flag at half mast for several public figures previously.
 
Well Mandala was a terrorist to the Apartheid regime does that make him a terrorist, no. If you want to follow that reasoning all the founding fathers of America were traitors and terrorists. It was Mandela's movement and leadership which caused Apartheid to end, De Klerk negotiated and signed it into law. Thatcher accomplished nothing that can rival freeing and entire race of people that inspired the world.

The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter has nothing to do with ideology, but about methods and ethics—particularly the treatment of noncombatants and the observance of established rules of warfare.

If you cannot see the difference between the great men who founded this nation, and the movement with which Mandela was associated, with regard to these parameters, then that's your deficiency. Mandela's movement may have been for a good cause, but its methods and ethics were those of terrorists and murderers, not of legitimate freedom fighters.
 
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