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Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

This thread is getting a little far afield.

My guess is that none of the Liberals on here fly American flags at all so they really have no say in what the rest of us do.
Why would I fly an American flag? It isn't about your flag pole either.
 
He ordered the bombing of infrastructure like power pylons not of human targets. George Washington did exactly nothing to stop them at all.

:roll:

You people and your "George Washington was a terrorist" inanity. It wasn't his responsibility to "stop them," nor did he have the authority to do so. (And besides, how do you know he never personally tried to intervene?)

George Washington also preached and practiced conciliation toward all in the new nation. He did not condone or encourage any such things as hangings or tarring/featherings.

If you want to argue that Mandela wasn't a terrorist, then do it. But all of this bringing up of the "Founding Fathers" is just rank ignorance and stupidity. No, a rebel is not automatically a "terrorist."
 
He ordered the bombing of infrastructure like power pylons not of human targets. George Washington did exactly nothing to stop them at all.

Not even going to comment on why this makes him a greater man are you?

Let me ask you this, would you of preferred the militant man who went into prison, leading a bloody revolution/civil war? Or the peaceful reconciliation that happened? Before he went in, he thought violence was the only way. And after being put in a situation that would of made a lesser man bitter and hard, he came out and became the man South Africa, nay the world, needed.
 
He freed millions of people from Apartheid rule and gave them freedom, past connections is his youth mean nothing. When he was president of South Africa he was definitely not communist. Do you not like Blacks having rights and democracy? Margaret Thatcher never really accomplished anything of note especially on the world stage besides being friends with Reagan.

Dude, are you serious? It's called protocol for heads of state, don't you know that much? It's not about picking your buddies. Get a clue.
 
The ANC did not attack civilian targets they attacked infrastructure when Mandela was in control. The Founding Fathers also killed loyalists, innocent loyalists even after the revolution ended. Ever hear of tar and feathering.

The British running Canada killed thousands of natives. How do you like living in a country that committed genocide?
 
The British running Canada killed thousands of natives. How do you like living in a country that committed genocide?

What does one have to do with another? How are you not doing the same thing he is doing by accusing their "founding fathers?" of genocide?
 
:roll:

You people and your "George Washington was a terrorist" inanity. It wasn't his responsibility to "stop them," nor did he have the authority to do so. (And besides, how do you know he never personally tried to intervene?)

George Washington also preached and practiced conciliation toward all in the new nation. He did not condone or encourage any such things as hangings or tarring/featherings.

If you want to argue that Mandela wasn't a terrorist, then do it. But all of this bringing up of the "Founding Fathers" is just rank ignorance and stupidity. No, a rebel is not automatically a "terrorist."


Washington made a point to hang people in public.
 
Washington made a point to hang people in public.

Not as reprisals against loyalists, which is the subject. He certainly did so for desertion and insubordination in his own ranks, as well as with spies. All of which was quite customary at the time.
 
Well Mandala was a terrorist to the Apartheid regime does that make him a terrorist, no. If you want to follow that reasoning all the founding fathers of America were traitors and terrorists. It was Mandela's movement and leadership which caused Apartheid to end, De Klerk negotiated and signed it into law. Thatcher accomplished nothing that can rival freeing and entire race of people that inspired the world.


Has American liberal revisionism also contaminated Canada ?

God save Molsens, Moosehead Beer, maple syrup and two legged beavers.

 
The British running Canada killed thousands of natives. How do you like living in a country that committed genocide?

Yet they still sided with us during the revolution and the War of 1812. We have officially apologized for residential schools and maltreatment of natives. America is guilty of the same.
 
Not even going to comment on why this makes him a greater man are you?

Let me ask you this, would you of preferred the militant man who went into prison, leading a bloody revolution/civil war? Or the peaceful reconciliation that happened? Before he went in, he thought violence was the only way. And after being put in a situation that would of made a lesser man bitter and hard, he came out and became the man South Africa, nay the world, needed.

That is what I have been arguing he was was not a communist militant when he came out.
 
Yahoo! News

President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered flags to fly at half-staff at the White House and public buildings, with the US in mourning over the death of "close friend" and anti-apartheid hero Nelson Mandela.

Obama's proclamation, which also extended to the White House, US foreign missions, military posts, naval stations and military vessels, was valid through sunset on Monday.

"Today, the United States has lost a close friend, South Africa has lost an incomparable liberator, and the world has lost an inspiration for freedom, justice, and human dignity -- Nelson Mandela is no longer with us, he belongs to the ages," he said in the document.

"Through his fierce dignity and unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he transformed South Africa -- and moved the entire world.


For a Communist? Antithesis to Freedom and Liberty?

And nothing for Maggie Thatcher...nothing

I truly want to vomit.

This is embarressing, but what did we expect?
 
That is what I have been arguing he was was not a communist militant when he came out.

David Duke isn't a member of the Ku Klux Klowns anymore, either. I bet you still think he's a racist.
 
Apartheid rule ended before Mandela was released from Prison. It was South Africa's F.W. de Klerk who ended apartheid in South Africa.

Margaret Thatcher played a significat role with winning the Cold War and also led Great Britain to war against Argentina that resulted in a dictator losing his power.

As for President Obama ignoring the U.S. flag protocol and ordering the American flag to be flown at half mast for ten days, (No American soldier, Marine, sailor or airman received such honor and recognition for giving his life to country. Ten days !!!)

Just more evidence that Obama doesn't look at himself as an American but as an internationalist socialist, honoring another internationalist socialist / terrorist.

It's just pandering on his part, and we're used to that!. If memory serves me correctly, when Michelle made her African trip, it was Mandela she ended up visiting, since the leader of South Africa refused to meet with her because he didn't agree with Barack's international policies. I'm glad she had the opportunity to meet Mandela in person. :thumbs:

Greetings, APACHERAT! :2wave:
 
The ANC did not attack civilian targets they attacked infrastructure when Mandela was in control. The Founding Fathers also killed loyalists, innocent loyalists even after the revolution ended. Ever hear of tar and feathering.

The Founding Fathers didn't kill loyalists! Where do you come up with this stuff?
 
David Duke isn't a member of the Ku Klux Klowns anymore, either. I bet you still think he's a racist.

So you're saying that he didn't change? People can change ap, that's the wonderful part of the story. In fact, find a picture of him scowling, or angry in public after he came out. And so what if he actually believed it. Actions speak louder than words, and his actions showed a man of peace, not militarism.
 
So you're saying that he didn't change? People can change ap, that's the wonderful part of the story. In fact, find a picture of him scowling, or angry in public after he came out. And so what if he actually believed it. Actions speak louder than words, and his actions showed a man of peace, not militarism.

Obviously not, since 60,000 people have been murdered in South Africa since 1994.
 
Obviously not, since 60,000 people have been murdered in South Africa since 1994.

Are you saying Mandela is responsible for that? That he wanted 60,000 people to be murdered, and insinuating as such?
 
Yet they still sided with us during the revolution and the War of 1812. We have officially apologized for residential schools and maltreatment of natives. America is guilty of the same.

The point is, come down off your high horse cause you don't have the moral ground to stand on.
 
It's just pandering on his part, and we're used to that!. If memory serves me correctly, when Michelle made her African trip, it was Mandela she ended up visiting, since the leader of South Africa refused to meet with her because he didn't agree with Barack's international policies. I'm glad she had the opportunity to meet Mandela in person. :thumbs:

Greetings, APACHERAT! :2wave:

Something to do with throwing Qaddafi under the bus I suppose.
 
The Founding Fathers didn't kill loyalists! Where do you come up with this stuff?

I don't know about all that stuff but I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that many Brits felt the same way about George Washington, back during our American revolution, as many Americans do about Mandela, today.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Mandela, I'm just drawing parallels to put things in perspective.

But I, for one, will NOT be lowering my flag.
 
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