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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Look, regardless of whether you are a Mandela shipper or not, he wasn't an American, did nothing for America and the flag should not be flown at half mast for him.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There is pretty solid speculation those are extremely ginned-up charges.
    Well take it from Mandela himself then.


    In his book "Long Walk to Freedom", Nelson Mandela wrote that as a leading member of the ANC’s executive committee, he had “personally signed off” in approving these acts of terrorism, the pictures and details of which follow below. This is the horror which Mandela had “signed off” for while he was in prison – convicted for other acts of terrorism after the Rivonia trial. The late SA president PW Botha told Mandela in 1985 that he could be a free man as long as he did just one thing : ‘publicly renounce violence’. Mandela refused. That is why Mandela remained in prison until the appeaser Pres FW de Klerk freed him unconditionally. The bottom line ? Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced the use of violence to further the ‘cause of freedom’. On 11 July 1963 the police raided the home of Arthur Goldreich in Rivonia near Johannesburg, where it captured, by surprise, the leadership cadre of the Umkonto we Sizwe underground. Seventeen people were arrested. Five of those arrested were Jews. They were : Arthur Goldreich, Lionel Bernstein, Hilliard Festenstein, Dennis Goldberg and Bob Hepple.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    For your reading pleasure, maybe you will learn something.

    "Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013) was a communist terrorist leader and former President of South Africa. He was imprisoned for some time for attempting to plant a bomb in a shopping center with the intent of killing men, women and children. He signed off on the Church Street bombing in 1983 which killed 19 people and maimed another 217."

    Nelson Mandela - Metapedia
    Wonderful source you've found there!

    Just looking around a little I found this:

    The modus operandi of Jews among non-Jewish nations is always the same:
    Loop begin
    Infiltration, typically strictly deny any Jewish existence and their own Jewishness
    Coming unpleasantly in sight due to usury, child murder, bad-mouthing about country and folk, culture distortion, creating artificial conflicts like "class-conflict" or "feminism", moving aliens into the country by "tolerance", etc...
    Create revolutions, terror systems, "Bolshevism", mass murderer, mass rubbing-out, "inflation", etc...
    Get rolled back, confined or expelled
    Cry loudly because of "persecution", whine, blackmail using international "justice"
    End of loop
    Each Jewish holiday (and there are many) remembers a possibly different event somewhere in the above loop.

    Great pictures too!





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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Yahoo! News

    President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered flags to fly at half-staff at the White House and public buildings, with the US in mourning over the death of "close friend" and anti-apartheid hero Nelson Mandela.

    Obama's proclamation, which also extended to the White House, US foreign missions, military posts, naval stations and military vessels, was valid through sunset on Monday.

    "Today, the United States has lost a close friend, South Africa has lost an incomparable liberator, and the world has lost an inspiration for freedom, justice, and human dignity -- Nelson Mandela is no longer with us, he belongs to the ages," he said in the document.

    "Through his fierce dignity and unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he transformed South Africa -- and moved the entire world.


    For a Communist? Antithesis to Freedom and Liberty?

    And nothing for Maggie Thatcher...nothing

    I truly want to vomit.
    I am all for flying the flag at half mast for Mandela. He deserves it. Regardless of politics he was a great man and leader. A man of the ages. I respected the man and as far as I am concerned he deserves the honor. As I posted before on another thread, this old crusty retired Master Sergeant is giving him a slow hand salute. RIP.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by sedan View Post
    Wonderful source you've found there!
    Metapedia - RationalWiki

    Metapedia is a website which describes itself as "an electronic encyclopedia about culture, art, science, philosophy and politics." The site's stated focus is "on topics that usually are not covered in — i.e. that fall outside of — mainstream encyclopedias." It has been described as "an 'internet love site', dedicated to the love of European people and culture."[3]

    In reality, however, Metapedia is a thinly veiled neo-Nazi propaganda site that almost makes Conservapedia look well-adjusted.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    My flag will fly for our military dead of Dec 7. Not an inch lower for Nelson Mandela.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by sedan View Post
    Wonderful source you've found there!

    Just looking around a little I found this:

    The modus operandi of Jews among non-Jewish nations is always the same:
    Loop begin
    Infiltration, typically strictly deny any Jewish existence and their own Jewishness
    Coming unpleasantly in sight due to usury, child murder, bad-mouthing about country and folk, culture distortion, creating artificial conflicts like "class-conflict" or "feminism", moving aliens into the country by "tolerance", etc...
    Create revolutions, terror systems, "Bolshevism", mass murderer, mass rubbing-out, "inflation", etc...
    Get rolled back, confined or expelled
    Cry loudly because of "persecution", whine, blackmail using international "justice"
    End of loop
    Each Jewish holiday (and there are many) remembers a possibly different event somewhere in the above loop.

    Great pictures too!





    Jews - Metapedia
    There are a lot of sources. Like this one better?

    Remembering The Church Street Bombing-Pretoria

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Umm.. he didn't free millions. It takes two to tango. de Klerk opposed Apartheid as well. It was de Klerk's Government approached Mandela about legalizing the ANC and releasing Mandela and how to do it. Then de Klerk turned around campaigned for lifting Apartheid in the South African vote. de Klerk didn't bitch and moan when he lost to Mandela in 1994 and faithfully served as deputy president under Mandela.

    Mandela didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize by himself.. he won it with de Klerk.
    The movement that required de Klerk to release Mandela in the first place to stop the protests and rebellion was the ANC and Mandela. He wouldn't have done it if everything was still peaceful in South Africa, or if he did much more slowly.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am all for flying the flag at half mast for Mandela. He deserves it. Regardless of politics he was a great man and leader. A man of the ages. I respected the man and as far as I am concerned he deserves the honor. As I posted before on another thread, this old crusty retired Master Sergeant is giving him a slow hand salute. RIP.
    Yes, but he's not an American or connected at all with America. So how are you okay with flying our flag at half mast for him. I get that you respect the man.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    For your reading pleasure, maybe you will learn something.

    "Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013) was a communist terrorist leader and former President of South Africa. He was imprisoned for some time for attempting to plant a bomb in a shopping center with the intent of killing men, women and children. He signed off on the Church Street bombing in 1983 which killed 19 people and maimed another 217."

    Nelson Mandela - Metapedia
    You believe metapedia for what reason? He would also have been arrested for charges he didn't afrter all it was Apartheid South Africa the justice system was not exactly fair.

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