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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Communists.... He was one.
    LOL

    Like communists are 'evil'. It's a failed and worthless economic system for a govt to implement IMO but has nothing to do with morality.

    (Sorry, obviously still early in the thread)
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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    His so called roll in ending apartheid was to kill innocent women and children. There. How do you defend that?
    Hmmm...what's our role in Afghanistan & Iraq been? We've certainly killed innocent women and children and for IMO, not nearly as legitimate a goal.
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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOL

    Like communists are 'evil'. It's a failed and worthless economic system for a govt to implement IMO but has nothing to do with morality.

    (Sorry, obviously still early in the thread)
    Not evil? Tell that to all the millions who have parished under it's weight.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Not evil? Tell that to all the millions who have parished under it's weight.
    As opposed to the millions slaughtered when we conquered the Americas?

    The hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq and Afghanistan as pawns in much larger game?

    Both of those were done in the name of democracy, at least in North America and the ME.
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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But Thatcher did not have a legacy (positive legacy) as Mandela had.
    Are you kidding?

    She turned the UK economy around and she was partially responsible for the liberation with Ronald Reagan of millions in Eastern Europe.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    As opposed to the millions slaughtered when we conquered the Americas?

    The hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq and Afghanistan as pawns in much larger game?

    Both of those were done in the name of democracy, at least in North America and the ME.
    Didn't say evil wasn't part of those endeavors but, nice deflection. Hate America FIRST!

    Communism has very few redeeming qualities.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Are you kidding?

    She turned the UK economy around and she was partially responsible for the liberation with Ronald Reagan of millions in Eastern Europe.
    No, not kidding. She may have done a few good things but they are offset by a whole host of poor decisions and really bad ones.

    Also, let us not forget the poll tax, the giving away of the state owned businesses (which could have sold for a much higher amount) and the fact that it was as much Howe (of not more) who drove the economic changes in the UK.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Didn't say evil wasn't part of those endeavors but, nice deflection. Hate America FIRST!

    Communism has very few redeeming qualities.
    Not deflection at all...a broadening of perspective.

    The fact that communism has been used in an evil way doesnt mean that the doctrine necessarily is, nor that ONLY communism is evil.

    So it's a comparison without value if based only on that criteria.
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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, not kidding. She may have done a few good things but they are offset by a whole host of poor decisions and really bad ones.

    Also, let us not forget the poll tax, the giving away of the state owned businesses (which could have sold for a much higher amount) and the fact that it was as much Howe (of not more) who drove the economic changes in the UK.
    Whatever you think of Thatcher, facts continue to go against you - please just stick to Mandela, I'm afraid your recollection or reading of history you may have been too young to experience continue to be wrong.

    You were doing much better on Mandela. Economic policy was Thatcher's key driver and philosophy; she surrounded herself with bright young enterprising minds and in Parliament she worked with radical thinkers within the Conservative party and then charged her cabinet with putting her policies into place. Howe did as told like everyone else until her cowardly cabinet turned and betrayed her.
    Her original cabinets were shaped by her beliefs and policies, people who did not meet her expectations and demands were removed or replaced in re-shuffles. As a gutsy leader, prepared to think really differently, she made mistakes but also left us a strong legacy in the world which none of our politicians since (Socialist / Conservative or Liberal) could match.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not deflection at all...a broadening of perspective.

    The fact that communism has been used in an evil way doesnt mean that the doctrine necessarily is, nor that ONLY communism is evil.

    So it's a comparison without value if based only on that criteria.
    If you don't think complete control over a population by a government where they own everything and you nothing isn't evil then, you need to do some serious re-evaluation.

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