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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

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    President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered flags to fly at half-staff at the White House and public buildings, with the US in mourning over the death of "close friend" and anti-apartheid hero Nelson Mandela.

    Obama's proclamation, which also extended to the White House, US foreign missions, military posts, naval stations and military vessels, was valid through sunset on Monday.

    "Today, the United States has lost a close friend, South Africa has lost an incomparable liberator, and the world has lost an inspiration for freedom, justice, and human dignity -- Nelson Mandela is no longer with us, he belongs to the ages," he said in the document.

    "Through his fierce dignity and unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he transformed South Africa -- and moved the entire world.


    For a Communist? Antithesis to Freedom and Liberty?

    And nothing for Maggie Thatcher...nothing

    I truly want to vomit.
    And what positive thing did Thatcher do? I wasn't aware she was a great inspiration the world over. I was not aware she was jailed for dozens of years because she opposed racism and oppression. No, Thatcher was more someone who did the oppressing.

    She might have been a good prime minister in the UK according to some but that is where here accomplishments end.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin IC You can't really say there were none here that didn't recognize such.....moreover. Has any come up with.....how much honoring must be done?
    Hi MMC, not all Americans are insular, some will be aware of the struggles in South Africa from 1948 onwards. I just doubt very many on this forum actually are or have a very limited world view and still see things defined by old cold war rhetoric.

    Besides, look at this "world news" forum and see how many domestic American news stories dominate. Very few of us outside America know or care who Trayvon Martin was or what some Walmart policy / storekeeper shop policy in mid-town America is: and that;s not because of a hatred of America but just that there is "real" world news out there in the real world.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

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    And what positive thing did Thatcher do? I wasn't aware she was a great inspiration the world over. I was not aware she was jailed for dozens of years because she opposed racism and oppression. No, Thatcher was more someone who did the oppressing.

    She might have been a good prime minister in the UK according to some but that is where here accomplishments end.
    I don't want to derail the thread but Thatcher was integral to the work with Reagan leading to the toppling of the Soviet Bloc, she spoke up for Gorbachev and introduced him to the West. As for oppressing - she didn't. I will admit she made some errors in domestic policy but she didn't oppress anyone.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well WCH......now how did we manage to miss this Opportunity. Here we have 90 World leaders with most of them representing and standing for Democracy all in one place. I expected that #1 would fail in his required duties......I will expect you to find him. You Know, what to do.

    SPECTRE Shall Not be taken for granted anymore. Send out the Cobra Commandos. In the meantime #2 has his report on the NATO Project.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I don't want to derail the thread but Thatcher was integral to the work with Reagan leading to the toppling of the Soviet Bloc, she spoke up for Gorbachev and introduced him to the West. As for oppressing - she didn't. I will admit she made some errors in domestic policy but she didn't oppress anyone.
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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I don't want to derail the thread but Thatcher was integral to the work with Reagan leading to the toppling of the Soviet Bloc, she spoke up for Gorbachev and introduced him to the West. As for oppressing - she didn't. I will admit she made some errors in domestic policy but she didn't oppress anyone.
    There are millions of people in the UK who think very differently, they felt very oppressed.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    There are millions of people in the UK who think very differently, they felt very oppressed.
    We're really derailing the thread here... the people who resented Thatcher's actions were primarily the Soviet Union funded unions that dragged this country through the s**t in the 70's and who had their noses put out by their failure to bring Thatcher down.

    Nobody is ever going to convince certain members of my country that we were financially turned around from "sick man of europe" to one of the top 5 economies in Europe - despite all the statistics showing this. In 76, we went begging to the IMF for financial handouts, 3 years later before Thatcher took power, some unions blocked the cleaning of our streets and the burials of the dead.

    How is that oppression? As for what she did with Ronald Reagan in bringing an end to the Soviet Bloc - millions of Poles, Czechs and Slovaks: heck, even Ukrainians and Russians have infinitely better lives because of Thatcher and Reagan.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From what the Sheriff says, he is flying the flags at half mast to honor locals that died on our state...
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    Did he really say that, or did he say that they died in the state or for the state?

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Did he really say that, or did he say that they died in the state or for the state?
    You're asking me to speak for him. I won't do that, but instead refer you to the article I posted.
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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    We're really derailing the thread here... the people who resented Thatcher's actions were primarily the Soviet Union funded unions that dragged this country through the s**t in the 70's and who had their noses put out by their failure to bring Thatcher down.

    Nobody is ever going to convince certain members of my country that we were financially turned around from "sick man of europe" to one of the top 5 economies in Europe - despite all the statistics showing this. In 76, we went begging to the IMF for financial handouts, 3 years later before Thatcher took power, some unions blocked the cleaning of our streets and the burials of the dead.

    How is that oppression? As for what she did with Ronald Reagan in bringing an end to the Soviet Bloc - millions of Poles, Czechs and Slovaks: heck, even Ukrainians and Russians have infinitely better lives because of Thatcher and Reagan.
    Thatcher barely won the first election, lucked out with the victory over the Falklands to win the second election and was kicked out of power by her own party in her third rule of the country.

    Of all the Northern European EU countries the UK has the highest poverty numbers, the UK has twice as many youthful unemployed (20.2%) compared to for example Germany and the Netherlands (8% in Germany and 9.7% in the Netherlands) and in a lot of other aspects the UK lags behind the rest of the wealthier EU countries. Sure, the income is higher than in most other industrialized northern EU countries but the cost of living is higher than in most Norther EU countries, as is the case with retirement age and vacation days.

    As for her international politics, that too is a mixed bag. She won the battle for the Falklands, was very opposed to the unification of Germany and some say her relation with Reagan was not that terrific.

    But even more than that, the reason that Mandela respects so much admiration is that he suffered for decades in jail, unified his country, ended apartheid and changed South Africa from a white rule country to a democratic nation. Mandela's story is inspirational around the world, that is just a fact of life.

    Maybe the flags should have been put at half staff in honor of Thatcher too, that can be debated but I understand why the half-staff honor was given for Mandela, it was to honor the remarkable life and role he played in the liberation of an entire country from oppression.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    So during the ritual of honoring Mandela Obama is hitting on the Danish Prime Minister. Obama's old lady has to get up and move our great leader over one chair so she can sit between them! Obama during the tribute is "selfing" pictures of him and the knockout blond Danish Prime Minister. What a disgrace Obama is.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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