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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Why are you implacably opposed to the American flag being flown at half mast for anyone other than Americans? It is a gesture that costs nothing.
    Personally when I see flags at half mast, I feel something in my heart for the person I know they are flown for. As a drove past several today, all could do was raise a middle finger in disgust.

    FWIW it's more about Obama ordering it than who it's for.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Why are you implacably opposed to the American flag being flown at half mast for anyone other than Americans? It is a gesture that costs nothing.
    Feature creep and the fact that I don't want it to be just a hollow, meaningless gesture. Heck, why not award him the Congressional Medal of Honor while we're at it? Certain honors are reserved for certain acts, certain achievements by certain people. Like I have said, if he's such a world figure - award him the Nobel Prize, honor him in appropriate ceremony.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Personally when I see flags at half mast, I feel something in my heart for the person I know they are flown for. As a drove past several today, all could do was raise a middle finger in disgust.

    FWIW it's more about Obama ordering it than who it's for.
    A middle finger in disgust? Oh good grief. This kind of out of touch crazed prism on the world is part of why our party cant win elections.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Feature creep and the fact that I don't want it to be just a hollow, meaningless gesture. Heck, why not award him the Congressional Medal of Honor while we're at it? Certain honors are reserved for certain acts, certain achievements. Like I have said, if he's such a world figure - award him the Nobel Prize, nomor him in appropriate ceremony.
    Why is it a hollow or meaningless gesture of its done for foreigners? We've done it exactly three times over the past century, each time for people of significant global impact.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    A middle finger in disgust? Oh good grief. This kind of out of touch crazed prism on the world is part of why our party cant win elections.
    Seems like the proper response to me. Though I think it needs two.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Why is it a hollow or meaningless gesture of its done for foreigners? We've done it exactly three times over the past century, each time for people of significant global impact.
    Two times that I can find in the history of the American flag. And it is a hollow and meaningless gesture in this case because Mandela had ZERO connection to America, made NO contribution to America. And no, again, those TWO foreign folk so honored weren't honored for their significant global impact but their impact upon America.

    Heck why not give him employee of the month awards from all American businesses while we're at it?

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Two times that I can find in the history of the American flag. And it is a hollow and meaningless gesture in this case because Mandela had ZERO connection to America, made NO contribution to America. And no, again, those TWO foreign folk so honored weren't honored for their significant global impact but their impact upon America.

    Heck why not give him employee of the month awards from all American businesses while we're at it?
    He made a contribution to democracy and peace which was sincerely felt by millions of Americans. Attempting to minimize his impact or the meaning he has for people doesn't make it so.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    He made a contribution to democracy and peace which was sincerely felt by millions of Americans. Attempting to minimize his impact or the meaning he has for people doesn't make it so.
    Wow, you're really hot for this guy. I don't care for him either way, don't hate him nor do I admire him, pretty much like most Americans I think. But that isn't the issue here, nor am I trying to "minimize his impact", he just didn't have any impact on America or the American people.

    Why do you think he needs all this extra honoring with methods that don't fit his case? Shall we honor him with Brownie troop leader of the year as well? Will that satisfy your need to honor a fellow who has done absolutely nothing for you or any of the rest of us as Americans?

    More appropriate would be the UN flag being flown at half staff.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your fiancee and her family. My position on the resistance movement remains unchanged however. The reason crime was easier to contain during Apartheid is because South Africa was a military police state and crime was relegated to the townships and brutally suppressed.
    I'm not a believer that the end justifies the means. That's a leftist philosophy.

    And I acknowledge that Nelson Mandela as President of South Africa accomplished a lot of good and had many achievements and also some failures. Mandelas achievements are as long as Obama's failures.

    The black middle class in South Africa has significantly increased. But the crime today in South Africa can be traced to the current political party that is in power. The Mandela administration was corrupt but not as corrupt as the current Zuma administration.

    But the facts are, Nelson Mandela had a past and it's been whitewashed and that's why so many young people are ignorant of mandelas past.

    At least Nelson Mandela had a past, Barack Obama seems not to have had a past, just a pass.

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    Re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    What is this evidence that commies, Marxist, progressives and liberals keep talking about but nobody produces ?

    Nelson Mendela was offered a number of times to be released from prison if he would just denounce terrorism and he refused.

    Nobody including President Obama denies that Obama wasn't a homophobe. President Obama just said he "evolved" and was no longer a homophobe.

    I suppose some time in 1990 Nelson Mendela evolved.
    LOL, what would have happened if the ANC just rolled over and gave up fighting for liberation? The American government was never going to put pressure on the apartheid government.

    Are you just hurt that the white minority government handed power over? Is that all this is about?

    Sheesh.

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