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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Looks like we get to send the lovely first couple to an all expense paid trip to South Africa. Party!

    After Snubbing Thatcher Funeral, Obama and Michelle to Visit South Africa for Mandela
    Have you found anything genuine yet to back up the claim Mandela was a communist or do you accept your argument should go to the conspiracy theory forum?

    Strange that in 70 years since he was first accused , no news sources (international / major / minor) or world leaders (international / major / minor) or anyone of any note has anything that would back you up today. All you have is a dubious passage attributed (with no verification or independent proof)

    One professor associated to Amnesty International believes Mandela was once a member of the communist party but even then only as a move to further his own cause - an "opportunistic alliance" vs full blown card carrying Marxist leader.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    We really can't blame Obama for going being they were close friends and all.
    They met just once.

    Barack Obama and Nelson Mandela: Inspiration from afar - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

    FWIW, W and Clinton are also attending.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Prove it or admit that you just made this up.
    Today is Dec. 7th. Is the American flag flying outside of your house in recognition of the bombing of Pearl Harbor ?

    You don't have to answerer the question publicly, just answer it for your self.

    36 USC § 129 - National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day

    (a) Designation.— December 7 is National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.
    (b) Proclamation.— The President is requested to issue each year a proclamation calling on—
    (1) the people of the United States to observe National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day with appropriate ceremonies and activities; and
    (2) all departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the United States Government, and interested organizations, groups, and individuals, to fly the flag of the United States at halfstaff each December 7 in honor of the individuals who died as a result of their service at Pearl Harbor.


    The bigger question is, did President Obama carry out his duties as POTUS and issued that proclamation that is required under the law or was Obama again derelict in his duties as President ?

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Have you found anything genuine yet to back up the claim Mandela was a communist or do you accept your argument should go to the conspiracy theory forum?

    Strange that in 70 years since he was first accused , no news sources (international / major / minor) or world leaders (international / major / minor) or anyone of any note has anything that would back you up today. All you have is a dubious passage attributed (with no verification or independent proof)

    One professor associated to Amnesty International believes Mandela was once a member of the communist party but even then only as a move to further his own cause - an "opportunistic alliance" vs full blown card carrying Marxist leader.
    "Communists have always played an active role in the fight by colonial countries for their freedom, because the short-term objects of Communism would always correspond with the long-term objects of freedom movements."
    Nelson Mandela
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    "I should tie myself to no particular system of society other than of socialism."
    Nelson Mandela
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    And if we needed another reason not to honor him...

    "If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America."

    Read more at Nelson Mandela Quotes Page 2 - BrainyQuote

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Yahoo! News

    President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered flags to fly at half-staff at the White House and public buildings, with the US in mourning over the death of "close friend" and anti-apartheid hero Nelson Mandela.

    Obama's proclamation, which also extended to the White House, US foreign missions, military posts, naval stations and military vessels, was valid through sunset on Monday.

    "Today, the United States has lost a close friend, South Africa has lost an incomparable liberator, and the world has lost an inspiration for freedom, justice, and human dignity -- Nelson Mandela is no longer with us, he belongs to the ages," he said in the document.

    "Through his fierce dignity and unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he transformed South Africa -- and moved the entire world.


    For a Communist? Antithesis to Freedom and Liberty?

    And nothing for Maggie Thatcher...nothing

    I truly want to vomit.
    Regardless of politics, Nelson Mandela was a great man. He deserves being honored.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    "Communists have always played an active role in the fight by colonial countries for their freedom, because the short-term objects of Communism would always correspond with the long-term objects of freedom movements."
    Nelson Mandela
    Read more at Nelson Mandela Quotes Page 3 - BrainyQuote

    "I should tie myself to no particular system of society other than of socialism."
    Nelson Mandela
    Read more at Nelson Mandela Quotes Page 3 - BrainyQuote

    And if we needed another reason not to honor him...

    "If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America."

    Read more at Nelson Mandela Quotes Page 2 - BrainyQuote
    Forgive me but which ones say "I am a member of the Communist Party" or words to that effect?

    The first quote may be true - but it's a general truism that any political movement seeking self aggrandisement will ally itself with a short term political struggle. Our BNP (British National Party) allies itself with any populist cause every other day in the hope it will gain votes - but it's not Mandela saying "I am a communist."

    Quote 2 - Socialism is not the same as communism. Some say it's a halfway house and others disagree - but it's still not him saying "I am a communist."

    Quote 3 - is not Mandela saying "I am a Communist."

    Please try again.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    They met just once.

    Barack Obama and Nelson Mandela: Inspiration from afar - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

    FWIW, W and Clinton are also attending.
    I know but if you ready the OP it says they were close friends or Mandela was close friends of the US, which of course he was not.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Today is Dec. 7th. Is the American flag flying outside of your house in recognition of the bombing of Pearl Harbor ?

    You don't have to answerer the question publicly, just answer it for your self.

    36 USC § 129 - National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day

    (a) Designation.— December 7 is National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.
    (b) Proclamation.— The President is requested to issue each year a proclamation calling on—
    (1) the people of the United States to observe National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day with appropriate ceremonies and activities; and
    (2) all departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the United States Government, and interested organizations, groups, and individuals, to fly the flag of the United States at halfstaff each December 7 in honor of the individuals who died as a result of their service at Pearl Harbor.


    The bigger question is, did President Obama carry out his duties as POTUS and issued that proclamation that is required under the law or was Obama again derelict in his duties as President ?
    This did not address my comment. Ray made up what he said... just to attack liberals. I called him on it and he scurried off.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Regardless of politics, Nelson Mandela was a great man. He deserves being honored.
    Before 1939 Hitler was considered a great man.

    Read the cover story of Times magazine "1933 Man of the Year."

    But I digress.

    The liberals and progressives in the world started white washing Nelson Mandela's violent pass and his suport of terrorism starting back in the 1980's. But it's kind of hard scrubbing everything from the newspapers and news magazines before Mandela became President of S.A.

    Do your own search. A lot of Mandela quotes were not his. He even deffended his X-wife, Winnie Mandela and his political party's (ANC) necklace parties.

    From Time magazine Dec. 17, 1990.

    >"Aware of Winnie Mandela's erratic behavior in recent years, many South Africans were guessing that the once-divorced Nelson might give his wife the shove following his release from prison. Not so. With Winnie facing trial in February on kidnapping and assault charges, Nelson is now springing to her defense."<


    Time magazine Aug. 6 1990

    >" Thought communism was dead? Not in South Africa, where the party is unashamedly resurrecting itself -- to the evident horror of President F.W. de Klerk. Last week the government arrested at least seven party activists, charging them with plotting to stage an armed insurrection by the African National Congress if negotiations to draft a new nonracial constitution fail..."<

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    "Communists have always played an active role in the fight by colonial countries for their freedom, because the short-term objects of Communism would always correspond with the long-term objects of freedom movements."
    Nelson Mandela
    Read more at Nelson Mandela Quotes Page 3 - BrainyQuote

    "I should tie myself to no particular system of society other than of socialism."
    Nelson Mandela
    Read more at Nelson Mandela Quotes Page 3 - BrainyQuote

    And if we needed another reason not to honor him...

    "If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America."

    Read more at Nelson Mandela Quotes Page 2 - BrainyQuote
    Again, what communist policies did he enact once he became president?
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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