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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'm really surprised by the unmitigated hate coming from the military guys on here, not you of course..
    I guess I don't remember when Mao and Stalin died..Did they get it this bad ?
    There wasn't an internet back then. Stalin died in 1953 and Khrushchev took over for him. I was a bit young in 53 and don't remember anything about it really. Mao died in 1976 and I was in Thailand getting ready to come back to the states. I don't remember any big thing about it although we had established diplomatic relations with Red China by then.

    All I can say it was different times and different eras.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    And we wonder why GOP politicians are afraid to say something decent about someone that may upset their lunatic fringe..
    Cruz should just focus on being the best Senator he can be and let the chips fall where they may over Christie .
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    Ted Cruz also offered a nice tribute on Facebook.

    Ted Cruz Criticized for Praising Nelson Mandela - ABC News

    The commenters were not particularly gracious.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Maybe if you personally have known someone who was killed during the Korean war or someones name who's on the Vietnam War Memorial you would have a different view of communism and freedom fighters.
    That's interesting. So you hate Nelson Mandela because of the North Koreans?

    In all seriousness, I get what you're saying. Mandela was a communist, and I don't deny that. But you must see that he wasn't supporting the Soviet Union. And also, he saw that he was wrong obviously, else there would be a communist dictatorship in South Africa right now.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'm really surprised by the unmitigated hate coming from the military guys on here, not you of course..
    I guess I don't remember when Mao and Stalin died..Did they get it this bad ?
    Also, these two men were monsters, probably the biggest of the 20th Century. We're talking about a combined death total of somewhere between 85-135 million people. Can we please not bring up these two guys anywhere near Nelson Mandela?

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    And I liked you for doing it, even though GWB is not a current politician..
    I find the criticism of Ted Cruz from Kobie's link beyond telling over what the GOP faces in coming together..
    I would venture that other GOP pols will be gunshy to praise Mandela .
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    What Forum? I really don't know why there are this many Mandela forums when it's the same thing in everyone. Also, you asked for a republican, and I gave you one.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Then why the outrage over Mandela??
    Time to lay it at the doorstep of the internet and how far we have sunk as a society .
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Also, these two men were monsters, probably the biggest of the 20th Century. We're talking about a combined death total of somewhere between 85-135 million people. Can we please not bring up these two guys anywhere near Nelson Mandela?
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    That's interesting. So you hate Nelson Mandela because of the North Koreans?

    In all seriousness, I get what you're saying. Mandela was a communist, and I don't deny that. But you must see that he wasn't supporting the Soviet Union. And also, he saw that he was wrong obviously, else there would be a communist dictatorship in South Africa right now.
    The Cold War never ended for some people. And one "communist" is apparently indistinguishable from another.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If your description of your grandfather's activities is accurate, then he was no freedom fighter at all, but nothing better than a common murderous criminal. I probably misspoke when I referred to him as a terrorist and a war criminal. He may have claimed a political “freedom-fighting” motive for his activities, but in the end, all he was is someone who murdered innocent noncombatants, and stole their property.
    For the purposes of weakening a totalitarian power and facilitate the movement of people like himself across Poland. The logic you use is absolutist and fatally constricting. It is music to the ears of tyrants.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Cold War never ended for some people. And one "communist" is apparently indistinguishable from another.
    You know, in a broader sort of way, this is sort of indicative of a problem in American Politics. Everything has become so emotionally driven, so angry. I just got done watching an exchange between Rice Prebus and Sgt. Shultz and you could just tell how much they hated each other. There was no respect between them. In the past, there have been passionate arguments sure, but not to the point where you don't even listen. That's where I think Obama's biggest issue is, he's in the middle of it, when he should be above the noise and serving as a CEO. And none of the candidates I've seen have what it takes to unite the country, to be a trancedant leader... we really need someone crazy like Churchill or Lincoln.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    When did Mandela commit terrorism and murder?

    You are literally ignoring reality.

    He never condoned or supported necklacing and he never advocated the killing of innocents, before he went to prison the ANC only committed acts of sabotage.
    That's already been more than adequately refuted several times in this thread.
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