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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
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    One can perhaps cut your grandfather some slack, given what he had himself suffered at the hands of the Germans, but it doesn't change the fact that what he did meets every rational definition of robbery, murder and terrorism, and not of legitimate “freedom fighting”. Even in war, there are standards of ethical conduct, and what you describe here does not meet these standards.

    If there had been any body interested in pursuing such prosecutions, your grandfather could very legitimately have been tried and convicted as a war criminal.
    I fundamentally disagree. This is the kind of thinking that would have forbidden someone from striking back at a totalitarian regime on the scale of 1984 because security personal were out of reach. There is such a thing as utilitarianism in my book, and the aforementioned examples are some of the best cases arguing in favor of an occasional 'ends justify the means' approach. Why was my grandfather justified in murdering that farmer? Because fighting back against the Nazis was justified by almost any means necessary. Just as our decision to use nuclear weapons on Japan was motivated by a utilitarian objective.
    If your description of your grandfather's activities is accurate, then he was no freedom fighter at all, but nothing better than a common murderous criminal. I probably misspoke when I referred to him as a terrorist and a war criminal. He may have claimed a political “freedom-fighting” motive for his activities, but in the end, all he was is someone who murdered innocent noncombatants, and stole their property.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Scuttlebutt is, Mandela had a portrait of the narcissist, Obama that hung on the wall of his home.

    But the face of Jane Fonda can also be found in urinals in many VFW and American Legion post across America and John Kerry's portrait is proudly displayed in a Vietnam War Memorial museum in Hanoi dedicated to those Americans who helped Communist North Vietnam win the war.
    From the article linked in the OP

    "America's first black president met Mandela only once, briefly, in 2005, but was inspired to enter politics by the anti-apartheid hero's example."

    Yes that made them close friends. Briefly.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I dunno if it's more remarkable. The Miracle on Ice is one of the biggest upsets in sports history.
    The summit series was an eight game series between Canada and Russia the top countries in hockey and was one by Canada by one goal in the last minute. Like IS aid they dedicate an an entire chapter to it in Canadian history classes.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    In Canada we had a former communist as our prime-minster till he retired in 1984 then we had a Progressive Conservative CEO. We forged relations with the communist countries especially Cuba. We see it quite differently here, not to mention we did beat the Soviets in battle albeit on an ice rink.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The summit series was an eight game series between Canada and Russia the top countries in hockey and was one by Canada by one goal in the last minute. Like IS aid they dedicate an an entire chapter to it in Canadian history classes.
    I know what the Summit Series was.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Scuttlebutt is, Mandela had a portrait of the narcissist, Obama that hung on the wall of his home.

    But the face of Jane Fonda can also be found in urinals in many VFW and American Legion post across America and John Kerry's portrait is proudly displayed in a Vietnam War Memorial museum in Hanoi dedicated to those Americans who helped Communist North Vietnam win the war.
    Who cares if Mandela had a picture of Obama? What the **** does Jane Fonda have to do with anything? Jesus Christ, either stick to the subject or don't post.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The summit series was an eight game series between Canada and Russia the top countries in hockey and was one by Canada by one goal in the last minute. Like IS aid they dedicate an an entire chapter to it in Canadian history classes.
    Leave it to the Canadian to know about a hockey contest that no one else knows.

    hvsS725084.jpg

    Edit:... well almost no one...

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Two words for you. Phil Esposito. Nothing else needs to be said.
    What about him.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Leave it to the Canadian to know about a hockey contest that no one else knows.

    hvsS725084.jpg
    Well no one here knows what the Miracle On Ice is so it's a draw.

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