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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    One can perhaps cut your grandfather some slack, given what he had himself suffered at the hands of the Germans, but it doesn't change the fact that what he did meets every rational definition of robbery, murder and terrorism, and not of legitimate “freedom fighting”. Even in war, there are standards of ethical conduct, and what you describe here does not meet these standards.

    If there had been any body interested in pursuing such prosecutions, your grandfather could very legitimately have been tried and convicted as a war criminal.
    I fundamentally disagree. This is the kind of thinking that would have forbidden someone from striking back at a totalitarian regime on the scale of 1984 because security personal were out of reach. There is such a thing as utilitarianism in my book, and the aforementioned examples are some of the best cases arguing in favor of an occasional 'ends justify the means' approach. Why was my grandfather justified in murdering that farmer? Because fighting back against the Nazis was justified by almost any means necessary. Just as our decision to use nuclear weapons on Japan was motivated by a utilitarian objective.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    For which foreign dignitaries has the American flag been flown at half-mast?

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    For which foreign dignitaries has the American flag been flown at half-mast?
    Winston Churchill and Pope John Paul II.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know, it was a long time ago.
    I'm seeing conflicting news accounts. I've seen that Obama ordered the flag lowered to "half mast" for ten days.

    And I see this.

    >"After the death of Nelson Mandela, President Obama ordered that U.S. flags on government buildings be flown at half-staff until Monday evening — a symbolic gesture of a nation in mourning."<

    U.S. Flags Lowered For Mandela, A Rare Honor For Foreign Leaders : The Two-Way : NPR

    Also, I'm not in mourning over medela's death.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How many people did Maggie Thatcher free from apartheid?
    That's how communist regimes get started, convincing the peasants they have power when they do not.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am all for flying the flag at half mast for Mandela. He deserves it. Regardless of politics he was a great man and leader. A man of the ages. I respected the man and as far as I am concerned he deserves the honor. As I posted before on another thread, this old crusty retired Master Sergeant is giving him a slow hand salute. RIP.
    How come Maggie Thatcher doesn't deserve a salute?

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I'm seeing conflicting news accounts. I've seen that Obama ordered the flag lowered to "half mast" for ten days.

    And I see this.

    >"After the death of Nelson Mandela, President Obama ordered that U.S. flags on government buildings be flown at half-staff until Monday evening — a symbolic gesture of a nation in mourning."<

    U.S. Flags Lowered For Mandela, A Rare Honor For Foreign Leaders : The Two-Way : NPR

    Also, I'm not in mourning over medela's death.
    It is probably until Monday.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    How come Maggie Thatcher doesn't deserve a salute?
    Why does she?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    How come Maggie Thatcher doesn't deserve a salute?
    If you followed what I had to say on Thatcher I ripped the president pretty hard on this site. She deserved better. The president not attending smacked of petty politics. If he was busy, he should have sent VP Biden to head up the U.S. delegation which if I remember right included Cheney, Shultz and Baker.

    It has been protocol since Eisenhower anyway as that is a far back as I can remember is to send the VP to funerals of foreign leaders as the presidents and the countries representative. As for Mandela, I think he deserves the honor he is receiving. I would like to see politics stay out of things like this, but in today's highly charged partisan charged atmosphere I guess that would be asking too much.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    It takes a special strain of the Conservative Victim Complex to portray any honoring of Mandela to be treated as somehow pissing on Margaret Thatcher's grave.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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