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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Bill Ayers was a radical leftist terrorist just like Nelson Mendela.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    One of those sources is from 1990. That's almost 24 years ago.

    Second, it's widely known Mandela views on communism changed from the point he was put in prison to when he was elected. What policies he pursued as President make than clearly evident.

    But please, keep trying to prove your nonsense arguments with right wing blogs. It's hilarious.
    How old are you or should I be asking how young ?

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, we have.
    List them. Again no significant connection to America or Americans.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, we haven't. It takes an extraordinary connection to our country to go half staff with our falg at their demise. Mandela, not even close.
    Here is the reg which includes foreign dignitaries. If memory serves me right, the the U.S. flag was flown at half mast on Churchill death, the death of one of the Popes and a couple of others.

    http://www.va.gov/opa/publications/c.../halfstaff.pdf
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Millions of East Europeans who deeply revere Margaret Thatcher for challenging the Communist rule before anyone else did might disagree.

    Regarding Mandela, in his youth he was a thug. A mindless tool of Commies and a terrorist.

    In his old age, he was the man who steered a long-suffering country away from an impending civil war, toward a peaceful resolution of a conflict most people in the world could not imagine being ever resolved.

    That's something. That deserves recognition, whatever his ideology and friendships are.

    Don't get me wrong: Those friendships, from Joe Slovo to Muammar Kaddafi, are most disgusting. But in the end, he will remembered for the good that he did, not for these (serious) errors of judgment.

    Nikita Khrushchev was a wild-eyed Communist, up to his elbows in innocent blood in the1930s in Russia and Ukraine, butcher of Hungary, etc, etc. Yet he will be remembered forever for something different: for ending Stalinism and releasing millions from the labor camps - for saving millions of lives, actually. After Khrushchev, the USSR was just another nasty authoritarian regime, where you could survive just fine, if you kept your head down - nothing like the surreal meat-grinder of the Lenin-Stalin totalitarian era.

    In my family, when I was growing up in Moscow, Nikita was deeply admired. Not because we thought he was some kind of saint - we knew he was nowhere close. Simply because we owed him our lives.

    Is our admiration a betrayal of those Ukrainians, Hungarians - and some fellow Poles - who were murdered under his watch, when he was just another ambitious and ruthless Comrade Commissar? I don't know. It is a hard question.
    In Canada we had a former communist as our prime-minster till he retired in 1984 then we had a Progressive Conservative CEO. We forged relations with the communist countries especially Cuba. We see it quite differently here, not to mention we did beat the Soviets in battle albeit on an ice rink.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
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    David Horowits was a "red diaper baby" just like Bill Ayers. In fact David and Bill were buds. Both were leaders of the New Left.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    List them. Again no significant connection to America or Americans.
    Winston Churchill, Pope John Paul II.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    David Horowits was a "red diaper baby" just like Bill Ayers. In fact David and Bill were buds. Both were leaders of the New Left.
    Cool story.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    In Canada we had a former communist as our prime-minster till he retired in 1984 then we had a Progressive Conservative CEO. We forged relations with the communist countries especially Cuba. We see it quite differently here, not to mention we did beat the Soviets in battle albeit on an ice rink.
    We beat the Soviets on the ice and we won the war.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Here is the reg which includes foreign dignitaries. If memory serves me right, the the U.S. flag was flown at half mast on Churchill death, the death of one of the Popes and a couple of others.

    http://www.va.gov/opa/publications/c.../halfstaff.pdf
    Flown at half mast for 10 days ?

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Flown at half mast for 10 days ?
    I don't know, it was a long time ago.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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