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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter has nothing to do with ideology, but about methods and ethics—particularly the treatment of noncombatants and the observance of established rules of warfare.

    If you cannot see the difference between the great men who founded this nation, and the movement with which Mandela was associated, with regard to these parameters, then that's your deficiency. Mandela's movement may have been for a good cause, but its methods and ethics were those of terrorists and murderers, not of legitimate freedom fighters.
    Baloney. What an incredibly narrow and arbitrary distinction. The great men who founded our country had advantages that most rebellious movements couldn't dream of. The oppression and retribution our forefathers faced paled in comparison to that which others have endured. We did not face annihilation, we did not face slavery, ghettoization, mass-murder, etc. We were a rebellion operating from largely self-governing and friendly areas, in defeat most would have been re-absorbed into the colonial fabric. The tribulations our revolutionary ancestors faced was great, but they fought a very different kind of war.

    Let me give you a personal example. My grandfather was a holocaust survivor, he managed to escape from one of the deportation trains going from a transit camp to what he suspected was a death camp. While hiding from the Nazis he murdered German colonists who had come as farmers to Poland. He did this to steal their food and undermine the German presence in the region before linking up with other cells and groups further east. This was quite obviously classified by the Nazis as murderous activity. I'd call it justified, I'd call it a blow for freedom.

    I refuse to censure Mandela or his associates from contesting their oppression the way they did. Without the strategy of tension and violence which exhausted South African society it is unlikely that they would have won the final concessions they did as quickly as they did. The endless call up of reservists, the limitless military campaigns, the ceaseless attacks, the riots and assassinations, all foisted a siege mentality on South Africa that contributed greatly towards the final settlement.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The founding fathers were slavers
    Some owned slaves; some were abolitionists.


    and did nothing to free slaves
    Several -- many -- from the north were quite outspoken abolitionists who very much intended to outlaw slavery at the outset, but it was not politically possible to do so. In fact, the Declaration was nearly defeated because northern delegates wanted to declare slavery one of the crimes of King George and emancipate America slaves right away. The import of slaves WAS abolished, so that's hardly "nothing."

    You have much to learn. Of course, you have to want to.


    or protect loyalists
    Persisting in ignorance when you've been presented with truth is a vice, and a particularly nasty one.

    By the way, a good chunk of loyalists moved to Canada after the war was over, and they weren't especially welcome.


    you can add aboriginals in there to.
    Yeah, 'coz the British Empire were saints in general when it came to that, ANZAC especially. Never mind that it isn't terrorism.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    How many people were burned to death in gasoline-soaked tires at her behest?



    I have no idea.

    I didn't know that she was into that kind of thing.

    Do you have a number?

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    How many people were burned to death in gasoline-soaked tires at her behest?
    Winnie Mandela is a corrupt, conniving, and pitiless murderer who deserves much worse than what fate has dealt her. However if the secret police executioner is to walk free, than so should she.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You asked how many people Thatcher had freed from Apartheid.
    Were you suggesting she was not worthy because she had nothing to do with apartheid?



    If that was what I meant that is what I would have said.

    If you don't like the flags flying at half staff for Mandela try and change it.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Not a dodge at all, as I have already stated that our flag should not be flown at half staff for any foreign dignitary, but you have not discussed it should...
    I see nothing wrong with honoring foreign dignitaries who have influenced the U.S. and the world in the manner of a Nelson Mandela or a John Paul II. Your turn.
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Well we will see if they die if he lowers the flags to half mast.

    I don't see how Obama could have been close friends with a man that probably couldn't have cared less who he was but whatever.
    Scuttlebutt is, Mandela had a portrait of the narcissist, Obama that hung on the wall of his home.

    But the face of Jane Fonda can also be found in urinals in many VFW and American Legion post across America and John Kerry's portrait is proudly displayed in a Vietnam War Memorial museum in Hanoi dedicated to those Americans who helped Communist North Vietnam win the war.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Obama was close friends of the racist Reverend Wright, and the terrorist Bill Ayers.
    ...

    Could you bring up more irrelevant bull****?
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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
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    Could you bring up more irrelevant bull****?
    Typical lib, trying to white wash the past.

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    re: Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Your attacking the messenger. The article provides links to the sources.
    You're*

    None of which back up what MacDonald is saying, nor are all of them verifiable. Many of them are also vary outdated.
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