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Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex[W:141]

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TheNextEra said:
Whether you like it or not, the Constitution has been interpreted for situations that the founding fathers could NEVER have realized in their time. SSM WILL happen, and YOU and others will eventually have to DEAL WITH it. All the whining in the world from the right isn't going to prevent it. Hell, even the GOP now is realizing this and starting to change to the side of SSM. Face it, the anti-SSM has lost and now they are just delaying the inevitable like the spoiled little brats they are.
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I don't give a **** about SSM marriage. It's just a zit compared to what's happening in this country, but you go ahead and believe that it's a big deal...
 
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Deuce said:
You still haven't answered the question. Is there a reason you're unwilling to answer?
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Is there a specific format you would like to see?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
I don't give a **** about SSM marriage. It's just a zit compared to what's happening in this country, but you go ahead and believe that it's a big deal...
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And yet, the anti-SSM crowd acts like it is a HUUUUGE thing, maybe you should talk to them about making a big deal out of it.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Is there a specific format you would like to see?
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An answer would be a good start. Do you or do you not believe people should have equal protection under the law regarding gender or religion?
 
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TheNextEra said:
And yet, the anti-SSM crowd acts like it is a HUUUUGE thing, maybe you should talk to them about making a big deal out of it.
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Why don't you talk to them?
 
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Deuce said:
An answer would be a good start. Do you or do you not believe people should have equal protection under the law regarding gender or religion?
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Yes women should be able to be women and men, men. Now if you believe this, you would have to acknowledge that religious institutions do not need to provide services to anyone that go against their beliefs...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Yes women should be able to be women and men, men. Now if you believe this, you would have to acknowledge that religious institutions do not need to provide services to anyone that go against their beliefs...
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You're still dodging. I didn't ask about some social norms. Equal protection under the law on the basis of gender, yes or no?
 
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Deuce said:
You're still dodging. I didn't ask about some social norms. Equal protection under the law on the basis of gender, yes or no?
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We already have that...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
We already have that...
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I asked your opinion. You really refuse to answer, don't you?
 
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Deuce said:
I asked your opinion. You really refuse to answer, don't you?
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No, you refuse to hear the answer because it's not then one you want...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
No, you refuse to hear the answer because it's not then one you want...
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You don't believe in having equal protection for gender, got it. You disagree with the concept.
 
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Deuce said:
You don't believe in having equal protection for gender, got it. You disagree with the concept.
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Tell me in what way they are treated differently now...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Tell me in what way they are treated differently now...
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Why? You wouldn't care if there was an inequality.
 
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Deuce said:
Why? You wouldn't care if there was an inequality.
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Are you always this smug? You posts that others are not answering while you refuse to answer any direct questions...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Are you always this smug? You posts that others are not answering while you refuse to answer any direct questions...
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You still haven't directly answered my question. Until then, why should I answer any of yours?
 
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Deuce said:
You still haven't directly answered my question. Until then, why should I answer any of yours?
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You have only refused to see the answer because it wasn't what you wanted to see. It has been given several times...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
You have only refused to see the answer because it wasn't what you wanted to see. It has been given several times...
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Do you believe people should have equal protection under the law on the basis of gender? Yes or no. Direct question.

You have indicated you believe that situation currently exists, not whether or not it should.

Answer even one direct question in a direct manner and I'll start answering yours.
 
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Deuce said:
Do you believe people should have equal protection under the law on the basis of gender? Yes or no. Direct question.

You have indicated you believe that situation currently exists, not whether or not it should.

Answer even one direct question in a direct manner and I'll start answering yours.
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Current laws already apply equally regardless of gender. Are you wanting to introduce genderless society?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Current laws already apply equally regardless of gender. Are you wanting to introduce genderless society?
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It's really telling that you absolutely refuse to answer in a direct fashion. Hence my conclusion that you don't support equal protection for gender. Anyone who actually believed equal protection should apply to gender would have just answered yes so that we could move on with the discussion of whether the current situation applies.
 
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Deuce said:
It's really telling that you absolutely refuse to answer in a direct fashion. Hence my conclusion that you don't support equal protection for gender. Anyone who actually believed equal protection should apply to gender would have just answered yes so that we could move on with the discussion of whether the current situation applies.
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Was there a portion of my response you didn't understand, or are you just looking for a specific answer to fit your needs?
 
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Deuce said:
It's really telling that you absolutely refuse to answer in a direct fashion. Hence my conclusion that you don't support equal protection for gender. Anyone who actually believed equal protection should apply to gender would have just answered yes so that we could move on with the discussion of whether the current situation applies.
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Your question has been answered, several times. You just can't accept the answer and so spin off into whatever point you're trying to make. And no intelligent person is going to play your setup game.
 
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clownboy said:
Nonsense. It's not the cuture driving this but a rogue SCOTUS and federal judiciary. The people through their representatives and on their own still defeat homosexual marriage.
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#1 You do realize that of the 17 legal entities that now have same sex Civil Marriage (16 States + DC), over 2/3rds of them did it based on Legislative Action or directly at the Ballot box.

#2 The SCOTUS has not issued a decision on SSCM since it's Baker dismissal in 1972.

#3 The "Federal Judiciary" is only responsible for ONE of the 17 entities having SSCM and that would be California's Prop 8 being ruled unconstitutional.


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So the meme that it's "the courts" that have done it is pretty bogus.



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clownboy said:
Deuce said:
Four individual states. And numerous legislatures.
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AFTER the federal courts overturned their original will. But nice try.
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There was no federal court case in the states that saw states approve SSCM at the general election ballot box (Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, and Washington).



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AlabamaPaul said:
Was there a portion of my response you didn't understand, or are you just looking for a specific answer to fit your needs?
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You answered that you think the situation exists, not whether or not you approve of equality under the law on the basis of gender. Do you approve of equal protection under the law on the basis of gender as a concept?
 
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Deuce said:
You answered that you think the situation exists, not whether or not you approve of equality under the law on the basis of gender. Do you approve of equal protection under the law on the basis of gender as a concept?
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Okay, let me spell it out for you. There is already equality under the law on the basis of gender. If you don't agree, please spell out where you believe the inequalities lie...
 
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