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South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

No. A terrorist does specific things that others don't, and Washington, as a military general, did not do those things. This line of false-equivalence argument is typical PeteEU bull****.

Let's leave false-equivalence arguments, your comment, to the experts on the subject--Cantor and the GOP..Do you think this hateful spew on Mandela is tied to the same hateful spew we see 24/7 on Obama ?
 
American citizens? Probably zero.

So zero American citizens have been murdered in America during the same time frame as you quoted with South Africa..Heck, we've got gun appreciation day coming right up to celebrate the 26 murdered in Newtown..Not to mention GOPees dancing on the graves of Chicago black-on-black death
 
Let's leave false-equivalence arguments, your comment, to the experts on the subject--Cantor and the GOP..Do you think this hateful spew on Mandela is tied to the same hateful spew we see 24/7 on Obama ?

I honestly never have any idea what exactly you think you're saying. :shrug:
 
So you are denying the hateful spew on Mandela is related to the same hateful spew on Obama!!
I honestly never have any idea what exactly you think you're saying. :shrug:
 
False-equivalency by Cantor and his 5-year Coup = We got everything we wanted in the current budget and now,
just for kickers, we still want half of what the Dems consider untouchable..That should help .
I honestly never have any idea what exactly you think you're saying. :shrug:
 
So you are denying the hateful spew on Mandela is related to the same hateful spew on Obama!!

When have I ever said a single word about Mandela? I'm not sure I ever have, at all, here on DP. I certainly can't think of one. Why you're asking me all this, I have no idea -- but like I said, I never have any idea what you think you're saying.
 
False-equivalency by Cantor and his 5-year Coup = We got everything we wanted in the current budget and now,
just for kickers, we still want half of what the Dems consider untouchable..That should help .

Case in point -- WTF are you talking about, what does it have to do with anything I said, and how does "false equivalency" even enter into it? Your word salads are the stuff of legend.
 
So zero American citizens have been murdered in America during the same time frame as you quoted with South Africa..Heck, we've got gun appreciation day coming right up to celebrate the 26 murdered in Newtown..Not to mention GOPees dancing on the graves of Chicago black-on-black death

During the BushII era over 100,000 Americans were murdered in the USofA. Using Apstd 'logic' BushII 'allowed' over 100,000 Americans to be murdered.

It is AMAZING to me to see the right wing ranters mindlessly spew about a nation and it's struggle out of the highly undemocratic political system and only sees one side, the black side as terrorists, murderers, or vile.

To hear these 'sons of liberty' spew on in other threads they would never just stand by if our Government murdered unarmed civilians just like the white government in South Africa did. But they expect Mandela to not respond like they would... :roll:

They rant and rail about terrorist this and that but we seem to not recall how Israel was founded by terrorists. Reagan embraced Shamir, who was a terrorist.

The South African government called the ANC communist to curry favor and aid from the USofA. The radical right may not see daylight between socialist, marxist, communist but they see to ignore that Israel's 'freedom fighters' embraced first Hitler and then Stalin. You reach for those who help, not those who rebuff you. The USofA picked the white minority government and that's a black mark on us.

Our Government, under Reagan, embraced Saddam Hussein when that very brutal dictator launched an unprovoked war against Iran, yet will scowl at Mandela liking a Libyan?

Highly selective wouldn't you say?
 
False-equivalency by Cantor and his 5-year Coup = We got everything we wanted in the current budget and now,
just for kickers, we still want half of what the Dems consider untouchable..That should help .

What Budget? It is my understanding that we haven't had a budget for 6 years now.
 
Surely you knew I was referring to South Africans and not Iraqis.

Why should I know that you were referring to that.. you were randomly coming up with irrelevant crap to a quote of mine. And is it 60k since the end of Apartheid? Per year, during his term or since his one term? Context would be nice, but coming from you that wont happen.
 
With such an awesome post, it's difficult to start multi-quoting..The "not-quite-rightists" are outdoing themselves on Mandela..
You reach for those who help, not those who rebuff you.
The USofA picked the white minority government and that's a black mark on us.
We were in South Africa for their riches from the mines, bottom line..
It is who we are, ultra-imperialist, not clean capitalist..

Our Government, under Reagan, embraced Saddam Hussein when that very brutal dictator launched an unprovoked war against Iran,
yet will scowl at Mandela liking a Libyan?
The rightists/Francoists still can't deal with the fact that the USA gave Saddam WMD and then Saddam gave them to Syria..
The residue left over from Iran/Contra continues to fuel hatred against the USA--thanks Reagan or whoever was in charge .
 
Why did the House refuse to go to Conference 18 times in the first seven months of this year, since you bring up budget??
What Budget? It is my understanding that we haven't had a budget for 6 years now.
 
You accused PeteEU of false-equivalency..
I have now educated you on how Cantor/GOP House use this technique 24/7 to nullify Obama/Mandela .
Case in point -- WTF are you talking about, what does it have to do with anything I said, and how does "false equivalency" even enter into it? Your word salads are the stuff of legend.
 
You accused PeteEU of false-equivalency..

Because . . . he offered one. Not for the first time, by any means.

I have now educated you on how Cantor/GOP House use this technique 24/7 to nullify Obama/Mandela .

Aaaaaaaaand here's where the goofiness takes hold again. I have no idea what you think this means, nor why it's relevant to a thing I said.
 
No. A terrorist does specific things that others don't, and Washington, as a military general, did not do those things. This line of false-equivalence argument is typical PeteEU bull****.

Did not do what? Blow up buses.. sure, there were no buses then, let alone explosives that could easily be concealed and used. Target civlians.. well, that is debatable is it not? Did the Americans not target collaborators, and what are civilians in a war of independence? You have to be careful here because remember Iraq.. those "terrorists" that attacked US troops, were no different than Washington. Only difference is that their power of their weapons.

Look I understand you want to defend your nations founder and sanctify him.. your people have been doing that for almost 300 years, but that is because you were the victor. Had Washington lost, he would have gone down as a rebel scum traitor terrorist... that is the difference.
 
I shouldn't be surprised you ignore what he believed what he was younger rather than WHAT HE ACTUALLY DID AS LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY.

I suppose though since he replaced the government that killed innocent blacks by the thousands you would be pissed off wouldn't you?

What about what he actually did when he was younger.
 
You accused PeteEU of false-equivalency..
I have now educated you on how Cantor/GOP House use this technique 24/7 to nullify Obama/Mandela .

This isnt a situation in which you get to use Mandelas death to defend Obama politically.
 
That is completely and utterly untrue!

I don't know why you have such a hatred for the man.

You never lived there I ****ING DID.

Crime is a problem in South Africa and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS SAYING IT ISN'T.

Most of it is black on black crime in the Townships that are a direct result of apartheid.

Lack of education, infrastructure in black areas as a direct result of apartheid.

Crime has been slowly but surely decreasing since 1994 but one thing is for sure, it is not Mandelas fault.

Why are you more outrage about crime that occurred after apartheid ended... then innocent blacks being gunned down by a murderous regime?

I thought you were one of those "freedom" people?

Although crime was bad, South Africa was free for all intents and purposes, crime committed by individuals as opposed to direct government murder of innocents?

I suppose when it's blacks being gunned down it's not as big a deal to you is it?

Well even you admit Mandela did nothing to better things in his country. Do you have your papers by the way? Kinda like Nazi Germany huh, don't leave the house without your papers.
 
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>" Today Nelson Mandela has passed away aged 95. White "Western" media particularly in the "five eyes" Anglo-Saxon grouping including Australia have for many years been waiting for this day, and finally it has arrived.

When the West refused to allow sanctions against Apartheid in South Africa and used to call Nelson Mandela a terrorist, Gaddafi was embracing him and funding his fight against Apartheid by training ANC fighters, arming them and paying for their education abroad.
Nelson Mandela always has been very reserved to call anyone “friend”, but repeatedly stated Gaddafi is his close friend:

Tripoli, May 18, 1990 (mathaba) ~ Nelson Mandela: “No country can claim to be the policeman of the world and no state can dictate to another what it should do. Those that yesterday were friends of our enemies have the gall today to tell me not to visit my brother Gaddafi. They are advising us to be ungrateful and forget our friends of the past.”...<

Mandela and Qadhafi: Brother Leaders
 
How long do you think it will take the rightists before they trash both Mandela and Obama in context..
Soon it will be that Obama is using Mandela as a distraction from PPACA,
as the GOPees have done with everything else that has happened since the government reopened..
This isnt a situation in which you get to use Mandelas death to defend Obama politically.
As you said, fight fire with fire..Pre-emptively fight the attacks that you and I both know are coming..
And if I want to call it Obama/MandelaCare, I will..
I can be just as asinine as the rightists/Francoists going forth .
 
Did not do what? Blow up buses.. sure, there were no buses then, let alone explosives that could easily be concealed and used. Target civlians.. well, that is debatable is it not? Did the Americans not target collaborators, and what are civilians in a war of independence? You have to be careful here because remember Iraq.. those "terrorists" that attacked US troops, were no different than Washington. Only difference is that their power of their weapons.

Look I understand you want to defend your nations founder and sanctify him.. your people have been doing that for almost 300 years, but that is because you were the victor. Had Washington lost, he would have gone down as a rebel scum traitor terrorist... that is the difference.

:roll:

I "understand," Pete, that you gleefully try to tear down all things American, and it's a favorite hobby of yours.

But I already told you what the difference was:

He was a military general duly appointed to command the Continental Army and conducted himself according to the customs and rules of warfare of . . . the times.

He was not a civilian. He did not "target" civilians. He did not target areas where civilians congregate in order to sow fear. He battled the British Army with a uniformed, duly-constituted army of his own, and such duly-mustered militia under the rules of warfare which were customary at the time.

And no, he was never, ever considered a terrorist by the British.

You have no idea what you're talking about, but that's nothing new. If you insist on plodding forward with this sniveling ignorance, I can't stop you.
 
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