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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The greatest statesman of the past century. He was a man of peace who recognised that circumstances don't always allow you to be a pacifist. He won, and he showed that great leaders show magnanimity in victory; they turn former enemies into friends and partners. He told the truth, both about the evils of the Apartheid régime and on wider, world issues. He exuded integrity, lightness of spirit, compassion and dogged determination. He was the opposite of partisan and the diametrical antonym of bigotted.

    It doesn't surprise me to read those posters denigrating his memory, when you see who those posters are. Meh! They can knock themselves out. There's nothing a misanthropic nonentity on an internet forum can say that will alter the legacy of a truly great man. Best they get it out of their system here. Vent away, Sawyer!
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

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    I don't know how you can defend a man that purposely murdered women and children.

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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Different times, hard to compare, but he certainly was no pacifist... for the times he would have been considered a terrorist.
    That's exactly your kind of typical, uninformed idiocy. He was a military general duly appointed to command the Continental Army and conducted himself according to the customs and rules of warfare of . . . the times.
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't know how you can defend a man that purposely murdered women and children.
    What are you talking about?
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I've no idea who that is, or why you posted such a boring GIF.
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    I find it extremely telling, ho wmany right wingers on this board, hate him more than most racist Afrikaners do...

    most of the things right wingers have said about him over the years I've been here have been absolute crap including what's in this thread.

    And the fact they go after him over the creation of the militant wing of the ANC which was in direct response to the sharpville massacre (when some of them seem to want to start shooting at the government over bullet clip restrictions), and which in its beginnings we're simply acts of sabotage, yes some members murdered but after he went to prison and without his approval. Which is why along with members of the White Security forces, members of Umkhonto We Sizwe also went before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

    I am South African, I was born in 1989, I grew up and went to public South African schools and my family owned many businesses during our time there and I am white.

    I can tell you that South Africa is far from perfect, Mandela is far from perfect.

    In his earliest days indeed he was a socialist, but when you look at the actions of his government when he actually came to power, they resemble NOTHING of what the original ANC charter was in the 60's namely nationalizing mines and banks etc. which never happened, never came close to happening and HE COULD HAVE DONE IT.

    But his most important contributions to our country, namely the relative peace he brought was nothing short of a miracle, and while South Africa isn't perfect and still has far to go I know I grew up in a South Africa that was better with him than without him.

    I am thankful that he lived and I am saddened that he died.

    He achieved the impossible and freed a nation.



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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Mr Mandela led South Africa's transition from white-minority rule in the 1990s, after 27 years in prison for his political activities.
    Mandela was sent to prison for his terrorist activities.

    There were tens of thousands in South Africa who had the same political ideology as Mandela but didn't resort to murder, rape and participated in terrorist bombings so they didn't end up in prison like Mandela did.

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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I find it extremely telling, ho wmany right wingers on this board, hate him more than most racist Afrikaners do...

    most of the things right wingers have said about him over the years I've been here have been absolute crap including what's in this thread.

    And the fact they go after him over the creation of the militant wing of the ANC which was in direct response to the sharpville massacre (when some of them seem to want to start shooting at the government over bullet clip restrictions), and which in its beginnings we're simply acts of sabotage, yes some members murdered but after he went to prison and without his approval. Which is why along with members of the White Security forces, members of Umkhonto We Sizwe also went before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

    I am South African, I was born in 1989, I grew up and went to public South African schools and my family owned many businesses during our time there and I am white.

    I can tell you that South Africa is far from perfect, Mandela is far from perfect.

    In his earliest days indeed he was a socialist, but when you look at the actions of his government when he actually came to power, they resemble NOTHING of what the original ANC charter was in the 60's namely nationalizing mines and banks etc. which never happened, never came close to happening and HE COULD HAVE DONE IT.

    But his most important contributions to our country, namely the relative peace he brought was nothing short of a miracle, and while South Africa isn't perfect and still has far to go I know I grew up in a South Africa that was better with him than without him.

    I am thankful that he lived and I am saddened that he died.

    He achieved the impossible and freed a nation.



    Cry, the beloved country.
    I don't know that I hate him, but his life needs to be taken in to account in its entirety before we start claiming what a great man he was.

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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I find it extremely telling, ho wmany right wingers on this board, hate him more than most racist Afrikaners do...
    Quoted for truth.


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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Did George Washington bomb civilians in banks and stores? Guess I missed that part of History.
    No, but then neither did Mandela, nor did he keep slaves.
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