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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Just don't compare Mandela to Washington, they were worlds apart and you defame a great man in US history when you say there names in the same breath.
    I have to say, after this weekend, and the Sunday shows, I am about fed up with the canonization of Saint Nelson.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Yeah I agree, Mandela didn't actually kill anyone and he forgave his oppressors. Washington was a slave owner and does not deserve the same recognition.

    Mandela's rebellion freed white and black citizens of his country whereas Washington.... didn't. Mandela's rebellion didn't end with the wholesale slaughter and disenfranchisement of Native Americans whereas Washington's... did.

    Definitely don't deserve the same pedestal.

    We'll leave it at that.
    Mandela never killed innocent civilians huh. You people are unbelievable and it saddens me to see how many are so misinformed and brainwashed by left wing hype. I will not even try to enlighten you though, I have tried with others and I will just add you in with them as people who really do not want to know the truth.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    G.H.W. Bush Blogs on the "genuine highlight" of his four years as president.



    George H. W. Bush
    Posted: 12/03/2013 10:48 am


    Former President of the United States
    Honoring Nelson Mandela

    I was honored to be the first American President to welcome Mr. Mandela to the White House. It remains a genuine highlight from those four years I was privileged to hold that high office.

    Together with Poland's Lech Walesa and Czechoslovakia's Vaclav Havel, I viewed Nelson Mandela as one of the great moral leaders during that hopeful and transformative era of global change.

    Early in 1990, after President de Klerk announced his intention to release Mr. Mandela -- who was then the African National Congress leader -- I publicly welcomed the news as it was another significant step on the road to the nonracial, democratic South Africa we all desired.

    Following his 27 years of wrongful imprisonment, it would have been understandable if Mr. Mandela had harbored and expressed more animosity -- more bitterness -- towards his political adversaries. That he didn't is one of the more remarkable examples of grace and dignity I have ever witnessed.

    More than that, it showed Nelson Mandela's true wisdom and, indeed, his genuine devotion to the cause of all his countrymen that he did not indulge whatever personal emotions he may have felt in private.
    Nelson Mandela knew that the progress for which he had long fought and suffered would be tougher to achieve had he contributed to a climate of division and recrimination.

    In our meetings at the White House, on June 25, 1990, we talked about the future of South Africa -- and how the United States could contribute towards the positive change we were already seeing. We talked about how we shared the goal of true democracy and dismantling, once and for all, the vestiges of apartheid -- a system that based the rights and freedoms of citizenship on the color of one's skin.

    Read More: Honoring Nelson Mandela | George H. W. Bush

    Now get this: G. H.W. Wrote that TWO DAYS BEFORE MANDELA DIED.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Mandela never killed innocent civilians huh. You people are unbelievable and it saddens me to see how many are so misinformed and brainwashed by left wing hype. I will not even try to enlighten you though, I have tried with others and I will just add you in with them as people who really do not want to know the truth.
    If you know of any people that Mandela killed with his own bare hands please feel free to name them. Even the South African police never tried him for killing anyone directly.
    He ordered bombings as a young man when forming umKhonto we Sizwe but there are no direct accounts of him leading men anywhere such as Washington did in Jumonville Glen and attacking sleeping unarmed men.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Mandela never killed innocent civilians huh. You people are unbelievable and it saddens me to see how many are so misinformed and brainwashed by left wing hype. I will not even try to enlighten you though, I have tried with others and I will just add you in with them as people who really do not want to know the truth.
    But if you murdered school teachers, tortured and raped women, mutilated and executed civilians and went by the name of Contras, according the St. Ronnie, you were "the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers" and not only that - he'll help fund ya and getcha the guns.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Mandela never killed innocent civilians huh. You people are unbelievable and it saddens me to see how many are so misinformed and brainwashed by left wing hype. I will not even try to enlighten you though, I have tried with others and I will just add you in with them as people who really do not want to know the truth.
    If you'd had a shred of evidence to back up your jaw-jaw, you'd have posted it days ago. You haven't. End of.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    But if you murdered school teachers, tortured and raped women, mutilated and executed civilians and went by the name of Contras, according the St. Ronnie, you were "the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers" and not only that - he'll help fund ya and getcha the guns.
    Ah, we get it....So, to you ideological preference makes one right, and one wrong....Funny isn't it how your own post here could be turned to be just as true for Mandela with the simple change of a name isn't it?

    But if you murdered school teachers, tortured and raped women, mutilated and executed civilians and went by the name of the African National Congress, according the St. Nelson, you were "the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers"
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos;1062642398[B
    ]If you know of any people that Mandela killed with his own bare hands please feel free to name them[/B]. Even the South African police never tried him for killing anyone directly.
    He ordered bombings as a young man when forming umKhonto we Sizwe but there are no direct accounts of him leading men anywhere such as Washington did in Jumonville Glen and attacking sleeping unarmed men.
    Just like you are channeling Obama. Time for the caveats to begin, no more "period".

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ah, we get it....So, to you ideological preference makes one right, and one wrong....Funny isn't it how your own post here could be turned to be just as true for Mandela with the simple change of a name isn't it?

    But if you murdered school teachers, tortured and raped women, mutilated and executed civilians and went by the name of the African National Congress, according the St. Nelson, you were "the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers"
    How did that Contra thing work out?

    How did that Mandela thing work out?

    History speaks/.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    How did that Contra thing work out?

    How did that Mandela thing work out?

    History speaks/.
    Especially when looked at through a hackish eye.
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