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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I didn't know how to cancel my original post which was even more irrelevant so I did the 5 character post I learned from others..

    I'm really getting spanked by the thread police today..
    Ready to go pray for Mandela/Pearl Harbor and thank the Pope with my wife..Back in a few hours .
    I was referring to the post you had quoted, not yours.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Did George Washington bomb civilians in banks and stores? Guess I missed that part of History.
    If bombs had been available, I'm sure he would have.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I would say the most remarkably stupid reaction to Mr. Mandela's death came from our favorite, Rick Santorum:

    Rick Santorum compares Obamacare to apartheid in clumsy Mandela tribute | World news | theguardian.com
    Rick Santorum is not very bright.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    White man put him in jail. That is all people want to know. He will be Saint Nelson by the end of the week.
    Apartheid was a blight upon human history. The institutionalized dehumanization imposed by the white minority regime of South Africa was worse than segregation in the South and only slightly better than Nazi Germany. Anyone who could come out of that hell to forgive the fascists who inflicted it upon him certainly isn't a saint, but represents the best in all of us.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You're the one who brought up Gandhi in this thread, genius.
    Wrong again. Scroll back and you will find several Mandela worshipers make the comparison. Thank you for the genius thing though. I graciously accept your compliment.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    You mention Johannesburg but your link conflates that with a general "many innocent people" however one 77 year old was killed at that 1964 bombing. Your estimate of "hundreds" isn't even agreed by the South African police which states that 130 were killed between 1976 and 1986.

    You and your source overplay your hand very badly.

    As for the word terrorist - the Apartheid government and the American government threw that term out once umKhonto we Sizwe took their first action against government installations which were a direct result of the Sharpeville massacre. Telling that you care more about denigrating Mandela throughout this thread than the government which he opposed and which failed to break him.

    As for your earlier challenge to PeteEU about George Washington and the word "terrorist" - the term hadn't been invented yet so your challenge was a strawman nobody could ever face. First record of use of the word "terrorist" was 1796. Washington was born 1732 and died 3 years after the first use of the word terrorist - he was aged 67.

    As for what he faced - the causes of the war of independence are many and some ignoble (such as the desire to expand into Indian areas and steal their land) whereas Mandela was fighting for the return of stolen lands and the murder of unarmed civilians.


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    Hundreds killed and wounded not killed. Don't misquote me, it makes you look like you have to lie to make your point.

    Washington was not a terrorist by todays meaning of the word, it does not matter that the word didn't exist in his time.

    No matter that Mandela's cause was just terrorism is terrorism and killing women and children make him a terrorist.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Wrong again. Scroll back and you will find several Mandela worshipers make the comparison. Thank you for the genius thing though. I graciously accept your compliment.
    First mention of Gandhi in this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My take is he was a terrorist that the left made into a hero. They turned him from a murderer of innocent civilians into a Gandhi.
    That was post TWO.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Wrong again. Scroll back and you will find several Mandela worshipers make the comparison. Thank you for the genius thing though. I graciously accept your compliment.
    In some aspects, Mandela was better than Gandhi. Gandhi was an almost fanatical Hindu who played a huge role in alienating India's Muslim population. He desired a totally agrarian society whose trademark would be the spinning wheel - a symbol that is present on the Indian flag but if put into usage would have created a mass famine. Not to take anything away from his use of nonviolence, but it was easy for him to be a pacifist when the end of British rule in India was inevitable. He naively applied this same logic to argue that Jews being led to the gas chambers should have resisted nonviolently, and refused to fight the much worse Japanese imperialism that threatened to take over India and that would not have given him the same consideration that the British did.

    Both were good and gentle human beings, but Mandela was much more realistic than Gandhi ever was.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    If bombs had been available, I'm sure he would have.
    Why because he was known for killing innocent civilians? By the way, they had bombs then too.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    In some aspects, Mandela was better than Gandhi. Gandhi was an almost fanatical Hindu who played a huge role in alienating India's Muslim population. He desired a totally agrarian society whose trademark would be the spinning wheel - a symbol that is present on the Indian flag but if put into usage would have created a mass famine. Not to take anything away from his use of nonviolence, but it was easy for him to be a pacifist when the end of British rule in India was inevitable. He naively applied this same logic to argue that Jews being led to the gas chambers should have resisted nonviolently, and refused to fight the much worse Japanese imperialism that threatened to take over India and that would not have given him the same consideration that the British did.

    Both were good and gentle human beings, but Mandela was much more realistic than Gandhi ever was.
    Good and gentle beings do not target women and children.

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