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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Inspirational and a truly remarkable man. Proof that ordinary people can do extraodinary things. He has become a symbol of what one can achieve with true dedication to a cause and the world is a poorer place as a result of his passing.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    I would say the most remarkably stupid reaction to Mr. Mandela's death came from our favorite, Rick Santorum:

    Rick Santorum compares Obamacare to apartheid in clumsy Mandela tribute | World news | theguardian.com

    Mandela, he told Fox News within hours of the great man’s death, “was fighting against some great injustice. I would make the argument that we have a great injustice going on right now in this country with an ever-increasing size of government that is taking over and controlling people’s lives — and Obamacare is front and center in that.”
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Not as clean? Good lord man he was commander of a faction of the ANC that killed and maimed hundreds of civilians in a terrorism campaign.

    "Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists."


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    You mention Johannesburg but your link conflates that with a general "many innocent people" however one 77 year old was killed at that 1964 bombing. Your estimate of "hundreds" isn't even agreed by the South African police which states that 130 were killed between 1976 and 1986.

    You and your source overplay your hand very badly.

    As for the word terrorist - the Apartheid government and the American government threw that term out once umKhonto we Sizwe took their first action against government installations which were a direct result of the Sharpeville massacre. Telling that you care more about denigrating Mandela throughout this thread than the government which he opposed and which failed to break him.

    As for your earlier challenge to PeteEU about George Washington and the word "terrorist" - the term hadn't been invented yet so your challenge was a strawman nobody could ever face. First record of use of the word "terrorist" was 1796. Washington was born 1732 and died 3 years after the first use of the word terrorist - he was aged 67.

    As for what he faced - the causes of the war of independence are many and some ignoble (such as the desire to expand into Indian areas and steal their land) whereas Mandela was fighting for the return of stolen lands and the murder of unarmed civilians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Thanks for admitting that he is not celebrated for what little he did. George Bush did not nuke Afghanistan. Are the liberals going to hold him up as the model human being when he dies?

    As for Mandela, he would never have been in the position to do anything but for de Klerk, and no he couldn't have unleashed mass murder on whites. He would have been dead inside a week.
    Better to reply this outside the R.I.P thread which you were sullying. I made no mention of George Bush /liberals etc.
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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post

    Crime is a problem in South Africa and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS SAYING IT ISN'T.

    Most of it is black on black crime in the Townships that are a direct result of apartheid.
    Not according to these:

    "Since 1994, the end of the so-called Apartheid, whites ... especially white farmers, have been subject to extremely brutal and racist murders. About 50 people on average are murdered in South-Africa per day, of which at least 20 of them are whites (95+ % black on white murder rate). Please take into consideration that white people make up only 9% (4 500 000) of the demographics in South-Africa and therefore the white murder rate in South-Africa is quite significant. "

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    "Afrikaner farmers are being exterminated at the genocidal annual rate of 313 per 100,000 inhabitants. Or, in the estimation of Dr. Gregory H. Stanton who heads "Genocide Watch," "four times as high as is for the rest of the population," making farming in South Africa the most dangerous occupation in the world. (Miners, by comparison, suffer 27.8 fatalities per 100,000 workers.)"

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Who were the terrorists at that time? The government of South Africa, of course.
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    People do what they must. David ben Gurion bombed the King David Hotel in Tel-Aviv, and killed many, when the Jewish people were fighting for their homeland. And, as far as murdering civilians, the government of South Africa murdered thousands, and put many more in concentration camps. Mandela was fighting fire with fire.
    Yet Israel had no qualms about exporting arms to apartheid South Africa, and giving them access to technology that was denied to them by international boycotts.
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I would say the most remarkably stupid reaction to Mr. Mandela's death came from our favorite, Rick Santorum:

    Rick Santorum compares Obamacare to apartheid in clumsy Mandela tribute | World news | theguardian.com
    Can you imagine that man imagined himself to one day be president?

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    people also criticize the shameless apartheid ?
    Civilized west ,very civilized

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

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    Re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    I didn't know how to cancel my original post which was even more irrelevant so I did the 5 character post I learned from others..
    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    A thread isn't a thread without the usual irrelevant talking points.
    I'm really getting spanked by the thread police today..
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