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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    see what I mean..
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Now it's the Jewish card..
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    You were the one who said ZERO Americans were killed in America during the same time-frame since Mandela took over..
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

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    You were the one who said ZERO Americans were killed in America during the same time-frame since Mandela took over..
    No I didn't. Don't lie.
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Why did the House refuse to go to Conference 18 times in the first seven months of this year, since you bring up budget??
    Why did Obama's budget every single time get voted down by 100% of the Senate including democrats?
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nimby
    Why did the House refuse to go to Conference 18 times in the first seven months of this year, since you bring up budget??
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    Why did Obama's budget every single time get voted down by 100% of the Senate including democrats?
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That is completely and utterly untrue!

    I don't know why you have such a hatred for the man.

    You never lived there I ****ING DID.

    Crime is a problem in South Africa and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS SAYING IT ISN'T.

    Most of it is black on black crime in the Townships that are a direct result of apartheid.

    Lack of education, infrastructure in black areas as a direct result of apartheid.

    Crime has been slowly but surely decreasing since 1994 but one thing is for sure, it is not Mandelas fault.

    Why are you more outrage about crime that occurred after apartheid ended... then innocent blacks being gunned down by a murderous regime?

    I thought you were one of those "freedom" people?

    Although crime was bad, South Africa was free for all intents and purposes, crime committed by individuals as opposed to direct government murder of innocents?

    I suppose when it's blacks being gunned down it's not as big a deal to you is it?
    This is quite amazing, you of all people playing the race card. Look, the man wasn't perfect, but he did some good for many of his people. The ideology of his party is where some people have issues. People like you fawning over him while saying **** like above, denigrating people like Reagan and others, while you're at it. This is what's going here and in other threads.

    Here's something for haters of the right, not everyone HATES Mandela.

    Let me give you what is, I think, one of the most amazing things I ever heard Nelson Mandela say. We had fun with Mandela when he was in New York, when he came to New York and went to Yankees Stadium.

    But I'll tell you, there are very few people that could have undergone what he went through and maintained any sense of dignity or optimism. Most people who had been through what Mandela went through would have spent the rest of their life enraged and bitter and angry and would have tried to get even. In fact, you might almost be able to make the point that there are people in this country who have not lived through horrible times who want to act like they have in order to occupy victim status, but Mandela really did it.
    One of the most amazing things that he said -- I love profundities, and I particularly love short, pointed philosophy. Listen to this. "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies." Is that not great? And it's great because it's exactly right. Resentment doesn't do anybody any good. It is a poison unto itself, and you've seen people like this. You know people, you've seen 'em, who run around constantly filled with resentment or anger over the way they've been disrespected or mistreated, and they can't let go of it.

    You don't want to be around them. You lose patience and you want to shout, "Let it go, it's over with, move on," and those who can't literally poison themselves to death. They figuratively poison themselves to death. So here's Nelson Mandela. "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies." Nelson Mandela actually lived through the indignities, the punishment, the discrimination, the horrors of the South African apartheid system and came out of it.

    Do you realize, when he was inaugurated president, he invited as his special guests the white jailers from his Robben Island prison? He literally did forgive everybody. Twenty-seven years of the prime of his life, and he said, "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies." Nelson Mandela would not qualify as a civil rights leader in this country, with that philosophy. They can't let it go. It's become too big a business. They will not let it go.

    Mandela let it go.

    It's just amazing.

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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    The hatefulness in this thread is... chilling.

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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post

    With this ^^^^post? You are correct...But, I would say that the attempt to point a finger of blame at house republican's on conference issues over the budget is not useful. The question is why won't demo's vote for their own leaders budget? hmmmm?
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    re: South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

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    With the death of a rather renowned world figure, what is your take on the man, his life, and his legacy?

    I've heard and read a lot of different things about the man, ranging from hero-worship to harsh condemnation and claims that he was a wolf in a sheepskin and didn't deserve his reputation.


    Frack if I know what to believe. I doubt he was all the hero-worshippers make him out to be, though. Few men are.

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