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    Re: RIP Nelson Mandela [W:28, W:56]

    Always respected how he was imprisoned for 27 years, but didn't come out a bitter man.

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    Re: Nelson Mandela Dead: Icon of Anti-Apartheid Movement Dies at 95

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Mandela was a great man and led his nation from horrible oppression towards human rights and democracy.
    Indeed. Pity how South Africa turned out really.
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    Re: Nelson Mandela Dead: Icon of Anti-Apartheid Movement Dies at 95

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelW View Post
    Indeed. Pity how South Africa turned out really.
    This is very true, I have been to Durban in the last few months and it is a disaster, crime is everywhere. Many say, if you walk the streets you will be robed and if you don't give you will stabbed to death. And no one will say a word. I have been to Cape Town and there is so much crime in Cape Town they have a police officer on every corner in the city. South Africa is in decline, not prospering. All the intellectual capital is leaving, leaving South Africa with no real leadership.
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    Re: RIP Nelson Mandela [W:28, W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey Shrub

    You may remember a few years ago on the Politico we had thread about Mandela and if you remember I have a chip on my shoulder on what happened in Africa with all of the Soviet Unions proxy wars that were taking place under the disguise of freedom fighters.
    My fiance was raped and murder along with her entire family in Rhodesia in 1978 by communist terrorist. And that's what they were called, communist and terrorist.


    So it's personal with me.



    Your fiancee, her family and you have my sympathy.

    If Nelson Mandela (RIP.) was alive today I am sure that he would join me in condemning those terrible acts.

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    Re: Nelson Mandela Dead: Icon of Anti-Apartheid Movement Dies at 95

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelW View Post
    Indeed. Pity how South Africa turned out really.
    There always seems to be this unstable violent period after a country is set free from an iron fist rule. You saw it in the USSR and the Middle East.

    Am not saying at all these people were better off under iron fist control .

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    Re: RIP Nelson Mandela [W:28, W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Not as bad as 1/4 of all the women in South Africa have been raped.

    South Africa after apartheid has become known as the "Rape Capitol of the World."

    >" Lizette Lancaster, manager of the ISS Crime and Justice Information Hub, says there are many complex reasons South Africa has such a high sexual offence rates. The armed struggle against apartheid and the violent backlash and suppression that followed have led to a normalization of violence in South African society, she said...


    “Rape is one of the most under-reported crimes in South Africa,” noted the NGO coalition Shukumisa. It points to research, conducted in Gauteng in 2010, that found one-quarter of women questioned in the study “had been raped in the course of their lifetimes, while almost one in 12 women had been raped in 2009..."<

    IRIN Global | A look behind the statistics of South Africa



    Mighty sad, but not all that unusual after a nation-wide war.

    I have read reports that every woman in Germany was raped after WWII and I don't find that hard to believe

    Certainly no one can blame Nelson Mandela for all of these things.

    In any case he is not here to defend himself. Let the man rest in peace. I believe that earned that.
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    re: RIP Nelson Mandela [W:39:56:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Mighty sad, but not all that unusual after a nation-wide war.

    I have read reports that every woman in Germany was raped after WWII and I don't find that hard to believe

    Certainly no one can blame Nelson Mandela for all of these things.

    In any case he is not here to defend himself. Let the man rest in peace. I believe that earned that.
    Even if he was alive he doesn't have to defend his legacy. He lead his country through a massive transition and avoided conflict and bloodshed. He united a country and then left leadership in 1999. South african leaders are responsible for any current unrest and its up to them to solve it

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    re: RIP Nelson Mandela [W:39:56:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Even if he was alive he doesn't have to defend his legacy. He lead his country through a massive transition and avoided conflict and bloodshed. He united a country and then left leadership in 1999. South african leaders are responsible for any current unrest and its up to them to solve it



    That's it in a nutshell, very well put.

    As I have said elsewhere on this thread, Mandela deserved his Nobel Peace prize. Few people in the last century come close to this man's achievements.

    South Africa may not be a great place today, but without Nelson Mandela's efforts it would probably be a lot worse.

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    re: RIP Nelson Mandela [W:39:56:99]

    This thread doesn't require anyone justifying or apologising for Nelson Mandela. He was a great revolutionary, a great statesman and a great human being. Rest in peace, Madiba. You earned it!
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    Re: RIP Nelson Mandela [W:28, W:56]

    The death of Nelson Mandela has already, on CNN and Fox, highlighted his early history, incarceration, release and rise to the Presidency of South Africa: the standard Mandela talking points. It would be nice, for a change, if the media actually reported the information outside of their tightly confined talking points, like this: C.I.A. TIE REPORTED IN MANDELA ARREST - NYTimes.com

    At any rate, I'm actually saddened by this man's passing. He spent, IIRC, the last few months of his life in poor health. Having learned about Mr. Mandela when I was younger, I was always impressed that he came out of being held prisoner with his head held high and was smiling as though he'd been on vacation.

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