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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    She should not have been discharged.
    We dont know that, she went 3 times.
    For some one who doesent have all the facts of the case you sure seem certain.
    Why is it so hard for you to admit that?

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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We dont know that, she went 3 times.
    For some one who doesent have all the facts of the case you sure seem certain.
    Why is it so hard for you to admit that?
    The facts are listed in the suit. Your entire argument is based on the claim that the suit is a bunch of lies, a claim you do not know to be true.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The facts are listed in the suit. Your entire argument is based on the claim that the suit is a bunch of lies, a claim you do not know to be true.
    You mean the CLAIMS listed in the suit. And what about the facts of the other side?

    Im not saying anyone is lying-IM SAYING WE DONT KNOW THE FACTS OF THE CASE.

    Dont tell me what my argument is-especially when you get it wrong.

    You are speculating, nothing more.

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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You mean the CLAIMS listed in the suit. And what about the facts of the other side?

    Im not saying anyone is lying-IM SAYING WE DONT KNOW THE FACTS OF THE CASE.

    Dont tell me what my argument is-especially when you get it wrong.

    You are speculating, nothing more.
    Your entire argument is based on the nonsensical notion that, on a discussion board, the only thing that should be debated are things where everything is already known.

    Maybe you're a bit unclear on the concept.

    And your blather about speculation is ironic given your constant "speculations" about liberals and their motives.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your entire argument is based on the nonsensical notion that, on a discussion board, the only thing that should be debated are things where everything is already known.

    Maybe you're a bit unclear on the concept.

    And your blather about speculation is ironic given your constant "speculations" about liberals and their motives.
    You continue to use extreme and insane logic.

    There are 2 sides to this, of which we know one. I should add that I have a medical backround and know that there is vital information missing in this case.

    Therefore we dont know enough to intelligently discuss the case.

    Is this so unreasonable? Take a deep breath.

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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You continue to use extreme and insane logic.

    There are 2 sides to this, of which we know one. I should add that I have a medical backround and know that there is vital information missing in this case.

    Therefore we dont know enough to intelligently discuss the case.

    Is this so unreasonable? Take a deep breath.
    Not having enough info has never stopped you speculating in other threads. It's only because you're losing this argument that you are objecting to speculation.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not having enough info has never stopped you speculating in other threads. It's only because you're losing this argument that you are objecting to speculation.
    I dont argue just to argue.

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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The fact is you argued as if it were not only the norm, but that it applied in every case. Not only that, but you argued that a woman should know enough that she should disregard what a doctor told her in favor of info that isn't even true.
    I said you showed that it wasn't "necessarily" the case. I accept that, what more would you like?

    And I asked you if it is reasonable to believe that she was told about the need to induce labor but chose instead to suffer with severe pain even though it would not prevent the need to go through labor?
    I think it is reasonable to believe that is a possibility....Sure, why not...If she wanted to keep that baby, and I can see the doctor giving her several scenarios and her making the choice to do everything possible to save it, even if it meant enduring pain.

    And if it were reasonable to believe that she returned to a hospital where she knew she would not be given the treatment that the hospital told her she needed?
    Now, after talking it over with my wonderful wife, (the moderate voice of the family ) I actually agree here that no it isn't reasonable...And after going back and re reading the OP, the article makes it clear that according to her, and according to the hospital spokesman, it is against policy to inform her that her life may have been in danger, if she didn't terminate the pregnancy. So, I can now see why she is bringing suit....

    I am going to stop it there, and say that you are correct in the path you are taking with our conversation, and I have changed my mind. If the bishops force this hospital, and its doc's to with hold information, even to the point of endangering the life of the mother, then she should sue.

    My apologies for being obstinate, and I will continue to watch this case.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I said you showed that it wasn't "necessarily" the case. I accept that, what more would you like?
    That you acknowledge the argument you made that this woman should have known there was something wrong with her being sent home because every woman should know that her water breaking means she's need to have an abortion or labor induced.

    I think it is reasonable to believe that is a possibility....Sure, why not...If she wanted to keep that baby, and I can see the doctor giving her several scenarios and her making the choice to do everything possible to save it, even if it meant enduring pain.
    You continue to dodge the question I actually asked by answering questions I did not ask. I didn't ask if it is reasonable to believe that it's possible. I asked if it's reasonable to believe it actually did happen.

    And you added something about the doctor giving her an option to possibly save the baby when the doctors had determined there was chance of saving the baby. This is just another pitiful attempt to wriggle out of answering the straightforward question I asked you.



    Now, after talking it over with my wonderful wife, (the moderate voice of the family ) I actually agree here that no it isn't reasonable...And after going back and re reading the OP, the article makes it clear that according to her, and according to the hospital spokesman, it is against policy to inform her that her life may have been in danger, if she didn't terminate the pregnancy. So, I can now see why she is bringing suit....

    I am going to stop it there, and say that you are correct in the path you are taking with our conversation, and I have changed my mind. If the bishops force this hospital, and its doc's to with hold information, even to the point of endangering the life of the mother, then she should sue.

    My apologies for being obstinate, and I will continue to watch this case.
    I have to admit, I didn't see that coming. I think it reflects well on your character. Kudos!

    And marrying such a smart woman also speaks well of your judgement.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My opinion is that if she was in pain, water broke, and she is being sent home, but doesn't believe she should be, then she should have gotten in the car, and told her friend to take her to the other hospital.
    Patients expect that they are being given information that is best for their medical well being.

    I am not saying that skepticism is unwarranted, but seriously.....a patient should be able to trust that the doctor is out for her best interest. She should not have to think "dang, is it possible that the Catholic Church is demanding that the hospital and doctors selectively give me information that might not allow me to make the best decision for my physical well being?"

    Patients are not the ones with the medical degrees. It is sad that folks at their most vulnerable have to be scrutinized when they believe what their MD says.

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