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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

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    The next hospital was 37 miles up the highway. To characterize it using county lines, or within 30 minutes as you, and the article have done is very dishonest here.
    It is the only hospital within 30 minutes, so what is dishonest about stating a fact?
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

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    So in your opinion, there's a possibility that the hospital told her that the child was not going to live, that the fetus had to come out, and that she could have labor induced which would end the severe pain and reduce the chance of her getting a life-threatening infection, and she said "No, I'd rather have the pain and the infection"

    And then the hospital did not note that the patient refused the recommended treatment on her records?
    No, I didn't say that. I said that it is possible that the doctors told her that she had a problem, but they could not address it, but she continued to come back instead of driving the 37 minutes to the next hospital. But we don't know yet because all you have is her account of the situation.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

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    It is the only hospital within 30 minutes, so what is dishonest about stating a fact?
    Because the way they lay it out, it makes it sound like she was isolated with only one hospital at her service...That is untrue.

    I would also pose, that although by mileage and normal driving, the other hospital would be 37 minutes away, however in an emergency, you know damned well that it would be less than that. So, it is misleading at best.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

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    No, I didn't say that. I said that it is possible that the doctors told her that she had a problem, but they could not address it, but she continued to come back instead of driving the 37 minutes to the next hospital. But we don't know yet because all you have is her account of the situation.
    The law I cited earlier requires the hospital to arrange a transfer to another hospital when a patient needs a procedure that the hospital does not perform. So now you're arguing that she knew she needed to have labor induced, she wanted to have labor induced, but when told the hospital was going to send her to a hospital that could perform the procedure she wanted, she said "No, I'm not going there. Instead I'm going to go home, suffer severe pain, and come back here where you can't perform the procedure I need"?
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because the way they lay it out, it makes it sound like she was isolated with only one hospital at her service...That is untrue.

    I would also pose, that although by mileage and normal driving, the other hospital would be 37 minutes away, however in an emergency, you know damned well that it would be less than that. So, it is misleading at best.
    That is dishonest. The suit says nothing about her being isolated. It merely notes that MHP was the closest hospital and the only one within 30 minutes of her home.

    And no, the other hospital was not within 30 minutes of her home.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The law I cited earlier requires the hospital to arrange a transfer to another hospital when a patient needs a procedure that the hospital does not perform. So now you're arguing that she knew she needed to have labor induced, she wanted to have labor induced, but when told the hospital was going to send her to a hospital that could perform the procedure she wanted, she said "No, I'm not going there. Instead I'm going to go home, suffer severe pain, and come back here where you can't perform the procedure I need"?
    Is there a woman alive that doesn't know that when their water breaks, that they need to get that baby out?

    Now, you do have a point about transportation, however, we need to see how this plays out in court with facts. Remember, all you have is one side of the story here.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That is dishonest. The suit says nothing about her being isolated. It merely notes that MHP was the closest hospital and the only one within 30 minutes of her home.

    And no, the other hospital was not within 30 minutes of her home.
    Again, misleading....Technically correct, but not real life situationally correct....It is a fact that the other hospital is 37 miles away. And I didn't say 'the suit' said that, I said the dishonest article in the op was implying that.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is there a woman alive that doesn't know that when their water breaks, that they need to get that baby out?
    Umm no, a premature rupture of membranes (PROM) does not mean that they need to get that baby out.

    What happens if my water breaks too early? - Parents.com
    Water breaking is a normal part of going into labor, but if it happens before your baby's ready to be born, the condition is called premature rupture of the membranes (PROM), which affects up to 10 percent of pregnant women. The main symptom is fluid that may either trickle or gush from your vagina. If this happens before 37 weeks, it's called preterm PROM; this occurs in up to 3 percent of pregnancies. Having PROM or preterm PROM can lead to complications and may cause you to go on bed rest, but it doesn't necessarily mean your baby will be born right away.
    Now, you do have a point about transportation, however, we need to see how this plays out in court with facts. Remember, all you have is one side of the story here.
    You're dodging my question. I asked if you really think it's believable that the woman knew she should have labor induced and refused to be transferred to another hospital and the hospital made no note of that on her record? And that when her condition continued to deteriorate, she returned to the hospital that she knew could not treat her properly and then again refused to be transferred to the hospital where she could be properly treated?
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

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    Again, misleading....Technically correct, but not real life situationally correct....It is a fact that the other hospital is 37 miles away. And I didn't say 'the suit' said that, I said the dishonest article in the op was implying that.
    37 miles away is more than 30 minutes away
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    According to the legal complaint when they sent her home the second time the hospital ( MPH ) told the patient to return if her fever went again or if her contractions became unbearable.
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