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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sedan View Post
    While you're at it, look up the de Tocqueville quote in your signature.

    A generous reader might say it's an extremely poor translation, but really it is so distorted that it should rightly be called an outright falsehood.

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    Way to come in and establish yourself as someone that is of little value engaging....Stick to the topic, I'm pretty sure my sig is not it.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    According to your link, the woman was suffering from a "medical emergency condition" and so the law requires the hospital to "informs the individual (or a person acting on the individuals behalf) of the risks and benefits to the individual of such examination and treatment"
    Ok, I went back and read it, and it does point to the provider reasonably informing the patient, so on that exact point you seem to be correct, however. The article we have to go on here is rather vague, and one sided to be able to jump to the conclusion that she was not informed of this. All we seem to have is her/ACLU side of things. Further, the article is so biased as to infer that there are no other hospitals near her. That is false. She could have gone to Butterworth Hospital in Grand Rapids Mi., it was 37 min. away.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I went back and read it, and it does point to the provider reasonably informing the patient, so on that exact point you seem to be correct, however. The article we have to go on here is rather vague, and one sided to be able to jump to the conclusion that she was not informed of this. All we seem to have is her/ACLU side of things. Further, the article is so biased as to infer that there are no other hospitals near her. That is false. She could have gone to Butterworth Hospital in Grand Rapids Mi., it was 37 min. away.
    Minnie posted a link to the suit in post 427.

    FIrst of all, she did the absolute proper thing to go to the closest hospital when she was in distress. She was pregnant and having issues. On top of that she did not drive herself, someone was driving her. By the way, anyone want to comment on what weather to expect in December?

    Peruse the suit, the accusations are not vague at all. When this comes to trial, they will not be answering vague accusations, but very specific ones.

    If by design, they doctors did not or could not give her proper education - so she could weigh options properly - they may be in a bit of trouble.

    But like you said, there is one side.

    But heck if she should have initially gone to the hospital much further away. That is bull. She had a pregnancy that was in danger - what she did not apparently know was that the continued pregnancy was totally on the failure track and her own health was in danger. If she was told this, she could have made the decision to stop the pregnancy now (that was already failing) and have someone drive her or take an ambulance to that other hospital which you say was 37 miles away.

    I will be interested to see the other side.

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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I went back and read it, and it does point to the provider reasonably informing the patient, so on that exact point you seem to be correct, however. The article we have to go on here is rather vague, and one sided to be able to jump to the conclusion that she was not informed of this. All we seem to have is her/ACLU side of things. Further, the article is so biased as to infer that there are no other hospitals near her. That is false. She could have gone to Butterworth Hospital in Grand Rapids Mi., it was 37 min. away.
    The original article stated it was then only one in her county. There have been other stories stating it is the only hospital within 30 minutes of her house.


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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Minnie posted a link to the suit in post 427.

    FIrst of all, she did the absolute proper thing to go to the closest hospital when she was in distress. She was pregnant and having issues. On top of that she did not drive herself, someone was driving her. By the way, anyone want to comment on what weather to expect in December?

    Peruse the suit, the accusations are not vague at all. When this comes to trial, they will not be answering vague accusations, but very specific ones.

    If by design, they doctors did not or could not give her proper education - so she could weigh options properly - they may be in a bit of trouble.

    But like you said, there is one side.

    But heck if she should have initially gone to the hospital much further away. That is bull. She had a pregnancy that was in danger - what she did not apparently know was that the continued pregnancy was totally on the failure track and her own health was in danger. If she was told this, she could have made the decision to stop the pregnancy now (that was already failing) and have someone drive her or take an ambulance to that other hospital which you say was 37 miles away.

    I will be interested to see the other side.
    Well said.

    I would like to comment on the weather issue.

    While I cannot find the weather report for early December 2010 in Muskegon the weather in the southeast area of the state was snowy and several accidents were reported.

    It is important to note that Muskegon is located on Lake Michigan so it gets a lot of lake effect snow in the winter.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Minnie posted a link to the suit in post 427.
    I'll go back and check when I get some time...

    FIrst of all, she did the absolute proper thing to go to the closest hospital when she was in distress.
    Not saying differently.

    She was pregnant and having issues.
    Ok. stipulated.

    On top of that she did not drive herself, someone was driving her.
    So? They went back 3 times....Are you saying they didn't have the ability to drive 37 miles away? Or maybe you think that the friend told her, 'I'll take you here, but not here'?

    By the way, anyone want to comment on what weather to expect in December?
    "Temperatures in December averaged 28.6F, which is exactly average, and exactly the same as last year (28.6F). Thirteen days were warmer than usual; sixteen were cooler, and two were average. The highest temperature occurred on December 31 with a record high of 58F while the lowest temperature occurred on December 16 with 11F. Temperatures for the year 2010 averaged 50.6F, 3.5F above average, making it the third warmest on record and the warmest since 1998 (50.9F), and 3.3F warmer than last year (47.3F).

    Precipitation was below average last month with 1.87", 0.77" less than usual and 1.45" less than last year (3.32"). There were fourteen days with measurable precipitation, which is two days less than average (16). Annual precipitation was below average with 30.69", 2.19" less than usual and 7.48" less than last year (38.17").

    December snowfall was below average with 13.8", 15.5" less than usual and 19.8" less last year (33.6"). Snowfall for the winter season 2009-10 ending June 30 was 31.9" below average with 73.6" and less than half the amount from the previous season 2008-09 (148.2")."

    December 2010 & Annual Weather Stats for Muskegon Michigan | News | Muskegon News

    Actually it looks like December 2010 was warmer than normal on average, with less precipitation....So, although I can't speak to the weather of the exact day, it looks like it wasn't a factor.

    Peruse the suit, the accusations are not vague at all. When this comes to trial, they will not be answering vague accusations, but very specific ones.
    I should hope so, but none the less, all we are speculating on right now are one person's claims.

    If by design, they doctors did not or could not give her proper education - so she could weigh options properly - they may be in a bit of trouble.
    There is the bar...How do you enforce a policy of a doctor directed to NOT give her the proper education medically speaking? That is absurd.

    But like you said, there is one side.
    Thank you.

    But heck if she should have initially gone to the hospital much further away. That is bull.
    Where did I say "initially"? If she on the first or second visit to that facility wasn't giving her any resolution to her problem, why in the world would she continue to go back? Why not go to the other hospital 30 minutes away?

    She had a pregnancy that was in danger - what she did not apparently know was that the continued pregnancy was totally on the failure track and her own health was in danger.
    Apparently...And with no resolution after the initial visit, a rational person would go to a different facility.

    If she was told this, she could have made the decision to stop the pregnancy now (that was already failing) and have someone drive her or take an ambulance to that other hospital which you say was 37 miles away.
    It's not "I say", it's a fact, there is a hospital 37 miles away.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    The original article stated it was then only one in her county. There have been other stories stating it is the only hospital within 30 minutes of her house.
    The next hospital was 37 miles up the highway. To characterize it using county lines, or within 30 minutes as you, and the article have done is very dishonest here.
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I went back and read it, and it does point to the provider reasonably informing the patient, so on that exact point you seem to be correct, however. The article we have to go on here is rather vague, and one sided to be able to jump to the conclusion that she was not informed of this. All we seem to have is her/ACLU side of things. Further, the article is so biased as to infer that there are no other hospitals near her. That is false. She could have gone to Butterworth Hospital in Grand Rapids Mi., it was 37 min. away.
    So in your opinion, there's a possibility that the hospital told her that the child was not going to live, that the fetus had to come out, and that she could have labor induced which would end the severe pain and reduce the chance of her getting a life-threatening infection, and she said "No, I'd rather have the pain and the infection"

    And then the hospital did not note that the patient refused the recommended treatment on her records?
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    Re: Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Well said.

    I would like to comment on the weather issue.

    While I cannot find the weather report for early December 2010 in Muskegon the weather in the southeast area of the state was snowy and several accidents were reported.

    It is important to note that Muskegon is located on Lake Michigan so it gets a lot of lake effect snow in the winter.
    Yep, they do, I lived there in the early 80s. But I provided the monthly outlook from the local station for the month of December 2010, and if anything it looks like they had less than normal snow, and temps were average. So, do you have a specific date, and reports of road conditions available to post? if not, you are misleading the board with your speculation.
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